Who is the epitome of Evil, God or Satan?

[Greatest I am]

Who is the epitome of Evil, God or Satan?

Though shalt place no one above me. Satan did not as he followed God’s instructions with Job. He was firmly under God’s control.

Many have jumped through hoops to make anyone other than God the most evil in existence yet scripture says that God gets the Gold star in all categories. Even as the most evil. After all, he is said to have created the concept of law. The Word. All Goods and Evils. The first divisive tool for social manipulation and control.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sh1qWZWNGGE

God is said to have just about all attributes that man has been able to imagine.
God has been reduced to our wish list. Including the creator of an everlasting hell to entertain our more hateful wishes.

God is still ashamed of what he has wrought as in the days of Noah.
Mythical Noah the is. Even after using genocide to reboot his systems. Strange. Another failure. God, if he were real, seems to have two messages for us.
Do as you are told and do not think too much. Hence faith to drive away logic and reason.

As the epitome of Evil, Satan runs a poor second place to God.
Have we put the blame for creations evils on the created, Satan, when it was God, who, as the epitome of Evil, shirked his duty of taking responsibility for what he as God sowed.
That also would mean that Bishop John Spong was right and God is guilty of child abuse by putting the responsibility for his works on Jesus.

Do as I say and not as I do is God’s policy.
I also would argue against his policy or rewarding what he calls rebellion. I E. Giving Satan dominion over mankind and rewarding Cain with a kingdom for murder.
Not a good thing for the law maker to do.
Two stains on his Gold star.

Is God the epitome of evil?
Is that the moral lesson of the flood myth?
What does that say of the literalists who follow Noah’s God and think that genocide is good justice?


Regards
DL

 

[Peter Parka]

Neither because they probably dont exist

 

[Greatest I am]

Neither because they probably dont exist

Agreed.

Regards
DL

 

[karen]

Jahweh the God of the Bible gave life to everything ....so isnt it his right to take it back . We as mere creations have no right to do that.

Those that lost their lives in the Bible knew what the consequenses would be for their actions and evil were their actions. Yes they were following their god Satan and did Satan do anything to save them ...no.

Jahweh defends his followers and has the power to ressurrect. His judgements are exact and he has no interest in making anyone suffer unlike Satan who as 'Mr greatest i am' pointed out has had dominion over mankind. Satan (which means resister) is here on earth and is responsible for decieving so many into causing others to suffer .

Gods purpose for us was and still is for us to do the right thing toward others and to ourselves ...this means everlasting happiness ...after all he created us so he should know what is going to make us TRULY happy ....not the momentary happiness that is in the world today.

Satans purpose for mankind is to turn us away from God and to turn us against eachother.

Jesus Christ, sent by God came to show us there is a way through following him. His ways are what we should be imitating. His ways are peaceful and loving . Clearly many have been decieved by Satan and have done dreadful things in the name of God and Jesus. Religion is all screwed up and who is responsable for that ...yes again Satan.

Satan is the epitomy of evil.

Just wondering ...Do you know why God gave Satan a shot at being god of this world ?

If God exsists wouldnt you want to be listening to the one that will defend you and wants whats best for you rather than doing the dirty work for the one that will leave you to die ? On the flip side if you dont believe he exsists then why do non believers obsess about it?

 

[Peter Parka]

Just wondering ...Do you know why God gave Satan a shot at being god of this world ?

If God exsists wouldnt you want to be listening to the one that will defend you and wants whats best for you rather than doing the dirty work for the one that will leave you to die ? On the flip side if you dont believe he exsists then why do non believers obsess about it?

Yes, I've read that fairystory, not as good as Lord of the rings, I have to say

I amuse myself by watching religious people squirm and dig a deeper hole for themself.:thumbup

 

[Panacea]

Sorry, I had to

 

[satinbutterfly]

Actually that would be me.

*curtsies*

:cool

 

[Greatest I am]

Jahweh the God of the Bible gave life to everything ....so isnt it his right to take it back . We as mere creations have no right to do that.

Scripture says that God creates all things for his pleasure.

Are you suggesting that he gets pleasure in killing those he created?
If he did not like to kill us, then being omnipotent, he would not create those he knows he will have to kill.

Those that lost their lives in the Bible knew what the consequenses would be for their actions and evil were their actions. Yes they were following their god Satan and did Satan do anything to save them ...no.

Are you includding all the chidren and babies that he killed or had others kill for him?
Where they aware of their evil actions.

Jahweh defends his followers and has the power to ressurrect. His judgements are exact and he has no interest in making anyone suffer

Then why does he offer everlasting hell. Torture without purpose is just cruelty.

unlike Satan who as 'Mr greatest i am' pointed out has had dominion over mankind. Satan (which means resister) is here on earth and is responsible for decieving so many into causing others to suffer .

As Job shows, God is in charge of the suffering. What is that quote? If evil is in the city, it is the lord who created it.

Gods purpose for us was and still is for us to do the right thing toward others and to ourselves

Yes. And to know what to do, we must have the moral sense that comes from knowing good and evil.
You might remember that when A & E did just that, God threw a sissy fit and then went directly against scriptures that say each of us are responsible for our own sins by his cursing the whole earth and all of A & E children. He broke his own rule.

If you would not give up your own moral sense, then you have to say that A & E did the right thing.

...this means everlasting happiness ...after all he created us so he should know what is going to make us TRULY happy ....not the momentary happiness that is in the world today.

Satans purpose for mankind is to turn us away from God and to turn us against eachother.

Jesus Christ, sent by God came to show us there is a way through following him. His ways are what we should be imitating. His ways are peaceful and loving . Clearly many have been decieved by Satan and have done dreadful things in the name of God and Jesus. Religion is all screwed up and who is responsable for that ...yes again Satan.

Satan is the epitomy of evil.

Then you break the first commandment by placing Satan above God in that category.
Tsk, tsk.

Just wondering ...Do you know why God gave Satan a shot at being god of this world ?

Depending on how you see things, the rebellion of Satan, A & E and Cain were all rewarded.
Satan got dominion of mankind, A & E got a very important moral sense and Cain became king of a city.

I look forward to your view of why Satan's sentence of hell was defered by God and why God decided, like some idiot farmer, to put the fox in charge of the hen house.

If God exsists wouldnt you want to be listening to the one that will defend you and wants whats best for you rather than doing the dirty work for the one that will leave you to die ? On the flip side if you dont believe he exsists then why do non believers obsess about it?

If the genocidal bible God were to exist, then he would be jailed for crimes against humanity.

As to your last, you have assume wrongly that I am an atheist. Wrong. I just do not follow genocidal maniacs. As to why I post.

Fight literalists.
It is my view that all literalists and fundamentals hurt all of us who are Religionists.
They all hurt their parent religions and everyone else who has a belief. They make us all into laughing stocks and should rethink their position. There is a Godhead but not the God of talking animals, genocidal floods and retribution. Belief in fantasy is evil.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5HKHaClUCw4&feature=PlayList&p=5123864A5243470E&index=0&playnext=1

They also do much harm to their own.

African witches and Jesus
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MlRG9gXriVI&feature=related

Jesus Camp 1of 9
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rBv8tv62yGM

Promoting death to Gays.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RMw2Zg_BVzw&feature=related

For evil to grow my friends, all good people need do is nothing.
Fight them when you can.

Oops. You might judt be one of the evil ones.

Regards
DL

 

[karen]

Psalm 5:4
For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You.

You already understand him to be omnipotent which would have to mean that you should know you will never fully understand all of his ways. Such as the loss of childrens lives . These children were taken out of a wicked generation . A generation that taught their children evil ways and sacrificed their own children to their many gods. I can only hope that these children have a chance in the resurrection to experience life under the rule of Jesus.

Punishment without purpose IS cruelty and this is why i dont believe there is an eternal hell where peoples souls are tortured forever.

"Yes. And to know what to do, we must have the moral sense that comes from knowing good and evil. "

You could also say that in knowing good and evil you have to experience the consequenses to every action . God being true to his word, told Adam and Eve that the consequence of disobeying Him (who represents everything good), would bring death upon them. Adam and Eve didnt do what was right they did what was human.

I dont see how Satan , Adam and Eve or Cain were rewarded . Satan is going to come to his finish not before he realises that he has miserably failed his challenge of sovereignty.... Adam and Eve were taken out of the perfect world they were living in and survived a difficult thousand years . Cain was banished from his home land and lived a hard life as well.

 

[cam elle toe]

Actually that would be me.

*curtsies*

:cool

:24: I couldnt rep you again:thumbup

 

[Greatest I am]

Psalm 5:4
For You are not a God who takes pleasure in wickedness, Nor shall evil dwell with You.

Yet evil that he created in the form of Satan lived for quite a while with him in heaven, and with him at Job, Sodom, the flood and on and on.


Nehemiah 13:18
Did not your fathers thus, and did not our God bring all this evil upon us, and upon this city?

Jeremiah 19:15
Thus saith the LORD of hosts, the God of Israel; Behold, I will bring upon this city and upon all her towns all the evil that I have pronounced against it,

You already understand him to be omnipotent

No. That is pure dogma and conjecture.

which would have to mean that you should know you will never fully understand all of his ways. Such as the loss of childrens lives . These children were taken out of a wicked generation . A generation that taught their children evil ways and sacrificed their own children to their many gods. I can only hope that these children have a chance in the resurrection to experience life under the rule of Jesus.

What a pathetic way to justify genocide.
If Jesus is the God of the O T then he is genocidal.
And you want to follow him!

Punishment without purpose IS cruelty and this is why i dont believe there is an eternal hell where peoples souls are tortured forever.

Cherry picking to assuage your conscience.
Educate yourself.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SF6I5VSZVqc

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yZM3FXlLMug

How does the God you follow administer reward and punishment then if you do not believe in an endless hell? What happens to Satan?

"Yes. And to know what to do, we must have the moral sense that comes from knowing good and evil. "

You could also say that in knowing good and evil you have to experience the consequenses to every action . God being true to his word, told Adam and Eve that the consequence of disobeying Him (who represents everything good), would bring death upon them. Adam and Eve didnt do what was right they did what was human.

So it is not right to reach for the knowledge that gives you a moral sense!
Is man a better man without a moral sense?
Would you give up yours?

As to A & E dying. I would say that it was more like murder because God kept them away from what would keep them alive.

If you child had ingested poison, would you keep the remedy out of their reach and would that not make you complicit in their murder and death?
Yes it would and God is complicit in the murder of A & E.

Strange that the authors of the O T, the Jews, see Eden as our elevation yet the Christians who plagiarized their books turned it into a fall.
Becoming like Gods is quite a good thing is it not?

I dont see how Satan , Adam and Eve or Cain were rewarded . Satan is going to come to his finish not before he realises that he has miserably failed his challenge of sovereignty.... Adam and Eve were taken out of the perfect world they were living in and survived a difficult thousand years . Cain was banished from his home land and lived a hard life as well.

In the case of Satan, justice delayed is justice denied.
An analogy would be a human judge finding a rapist guilty, sentencing him to jail, and leaving him on the street knowing he would rape again.

As to A & E. You may not think that becoming as Gods is a good thing but I do.
Cain became the king of a city state. Quite the punishment.

Regards
DL

 

[BornReady]

Jahweh the God of the Bible gave life to everything ....so isnt it his right to take it back . We as mere creations have no right to do that.

Parents give life to their children. So do parents have the right to kill their children if they so choose? No sane parent would want to kill their children. It's just a hypothetical question.

 

[karen]

Parents give life to their children. So do parents have the right to kill their children if they so choose? No sane parent would want to kill their children. It's just a hypothetical question.

God gave us the ability to pro-create but it is God that gives life to everything . No human has the right to take anothers life for any reason .....nothing hypothetical about that .

 

[Greatest I am]

God gave us the ability to pro-create but it is God that gives life to everything . No human has the right to take anothers life for any reason .....nothing hypothetical about that .

Colossians 1:15-17
Thou art worthy, O Lord, to receive glory and honor and power: for thou hast created all things, and for thy pleasure they are and were created.

We were created for God's pleasure says this scripture.

As an omnipotent God, he would have know the outcome of every created being. Are you saying God pleasure comes from killing us?

Regards
DL

 

[karen]

Jesus christ and the Almighty God Yahweh are two completely different spiritual beings . No matter how you want to interpret some of the scriptures about these two ...there is no mistaking what this scripture below is saying .
Matthew 3:16-17

New International Version (NIV)

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

 

[Codrus]

Who is the epitome of Evil, Cod or Satan?

question answered :thumbup

 

[Greatest I am]

question answered :thumbup

Smells fishy to me.:24:

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

Jesus christ and the Almighty God Yahweh are two completely different spiritual beings . No matter how you want to interpret some of the scriptures about these two ...there is no mistaking what this scripture below is saying .
Matthew 3:16-17

New International Version (NIV)

16 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”

Ya ya. That really happened.
I thought pride was a sin and here you quote God sinning.

Regards
DL

 

[Dana]

People who make these threads!

Zing!

 

[karen]

Ya ya. That really happened.
I thought pride was a sin and here you quote God sinning.

Regards
DL

And i thought he said pleased not proud ! Approval of something good is not a sin .