Where will we level off after the economy has been vandalized

[The Man]

How as that an argument to increase taxes on the middle class?
It was an argument to increase taxes on the rich as they pay less on gains tax /which is how they get most of their earnings...I also specified that the poor would get checks to offset their tax.
Then their is corp taxes which many pay next to nothing...that plan was not to kick the middle class in the teeth.
It was to help the middle class.
You do understand the plan was 25 percent cover all {fed state and local} which is less that half the current taxes.
The thesis of that thread was not so much much a push for that tax system It was to bring out how much is being spent currently...which is 50 k per household...So how much of our money in general should they get to operate..read the whole thing...fuck half the post are yours....IMO 25 percent was fair....not the 60 plus percent they get{as a whole}
And again it has nothing to do with this thread.
fuck that thread...go start your own,,this isnt the fair tax thread...why do you keep bringing it in here...especially after it was closed by staff??


But right now fuck the middle class we need to get out of this recession and that means helping the lower brackets.

 

[Stone]

How as that an argument to increase taxes on the middle class?
It was an argument to increase taxes on the rich as they pay less on gains tax /which is how they get most of their earnings...I also specified that the poor would get checks to offset their tax.
Then their is corp taxes which many pay next to nothing...that plan was not to kick the middle class in the teeth.
It was to help the middle class.
You do understand the plan was 25 percent cover all {fed state and local} which is less that half the current taxes.
The thesis of that thread was not so much much a push for that tax system It was to bring out how much is being spent currently...which is 50 k per household...So how much of our money in general should they get to operate..read the whole thing...fuck half the post are yours....IMO 25 percent was fair....not the 60 plus percent they get{as a whole}
And again it has nothing to do with this thread.
fuck that thread...go start your own,,this isnt the fair tax thread...why do you keep bringing it in here...especially after it was closed by staff??


But right now fuck the middle class we need to get out of this recession and that means helping the lower brackets.

How as that an argument to increase taxes on the middle class?

It was explained to you many times that your sales tax plan was regressive putting a greater tax burden on the middle class while lowering it on the wealthy.
You even linked to a Wikipedia article not realizing it also stated your plan was regressive and favored the wealthy.

It was an argument to increase taxes on the rich as they pay less on gains tax /which is how they get most of their earnings

Your tax plan was based upon personal sales/consumption, not earnings,

I also specified that the poor would get checks to offset their tax.

You did, so what?

.that plan was not to kick the middle class in the teeth.
It was to help the middle class.

And as posted, many times, you do not know what you are talking about.

You do understand the plan was 25 percent cover all {fed state and local} which is less that half the current taxes.

That was a sales tax, not a tax on income.

The thesis of that thread was not so much much a push for that tax system It was to bring out how much is being spent currently...which is 50 k per household

No, it wasn't......here is your opening argument, post #1
http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?86829-Fair-tax

What would be a fair tax if it was applied equally to all earners across the board{all tax brackets}
This include corps, capital gains,everything..all earnings.
No property tax ...extra gas tax...tobacco tax ... beer tax...just one tax even across the board for all earners...regardless of how the earnings are obtained or what they are spent on.
The tax occurs at the time of spending.,,not when funds are acquired
This tax will cover all combined govt spending.

I say 25 percent is fair

The tax occurs at the time of spending...........

This tax will cover all combined govt spending......

I say 25 percent is fair

That was your argument.......what you often posted later on was merely debating for convenience of the situation.

But right now fuck the middle class we need to get out of this recession and that means helping the lower brackets.

The middle class comprises the greatest number of consumers.
Their success determines a great deal of our nations economic success and you argue to fuck them over. That's illogical.

And again it has nothing to do with this thread.
fuck that thread...go start your own,,this isnt the fair tax thread...why do you keep bringing it in here...especially after it was closed by staff??

Go back to post #3.......your post where you started discussing taxation. You have been making claims and accusations ever since and all I've been doing is responding.

Like I posted earlier, if you don't want to discuss tax issues, don't bring up the topic.

 

[The Man]

It was explained to you many times that your sales tax plan was regressive putting a greater tax burden on the middle class while lowering it on the wealthy.
You even linked to a Wikipedia article not realizing it also stated your plan was regressive and favored the wealthy.



Your tax plan was based upon personal sales/consumption, not earnings,



You did, so what?


And as posted, many times, you do not know what you are talking about.



That was a sales tax, not a tax on income.



No, it wasn't......here is your opening argument, post #1
http://www.offtopicz.net/showthread.php?86829-Fair-tax



The tax occurs at the time of spending...........

This tax will cover all combined govt spending......

I say 25 percent is fair

That was your argument.......what you often posted later on was merely debating for convenience of the situation.



The middle class comprises the greatest number of consumers.
Their success determines a great deal of our nations economic success and you argue to fuck them over. That's illogical.



Go back to post #3.......your post where you started discussing taxation. You have been making claims and accusations ever since and all I've been doing is responding.

Like I posted earlier, if you don't want to discuss tax issues, don't bring up the topic.

From post number 5 of that thread
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I did not say I was in favor of a flat tax
I asked what would be a fair flat tax IF one was applied....fucking *****
I am wanting to determine how much people feel is fair ...then compare that to what we currently pay.....your attempt to play the "crystal ball man" with my motive as you have shown yourself to be wrong again.

If you are having trouble following along /perhaps lurking rather than posting is best suited for you in regard to this thread.

And post 25 in that thread by me

.I am not trying to create a flat tax system..It was just used as an example of "We all pay the same percentage of tax on all earnings"

The only reason I went with the consumption rather than pretax...is so people would not start concentrating on our tax structure.

As said it was just a presentation
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Back to topic please....this is not a continuation of the flat tax thread..I have stated this many many times.
I mean fuck..I know why other people dont want to participate in this thread now.

Are you stalking me bro?.
Why are all of your posts {99 percent} to me the last several days????
Look at you.
Go the fuck away dude.
Why do you insist on going on and on like this?.....How many weeks have you been doing this?
Now no one participates in the threads we are in{you cant see that?}...I dont like that shit...I come here for the people...not to have a pissing match with stone the entire time I am online...I dont know how else to say it bro....The shit is an eyesore no one digs it....A little while is cool...thing is you wont stop..

Stop trolling/stalking me bro.

 

[Stone]

From post number 5 of that thread
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And post 25 in that thread by me



As said it was just a presentation
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Back to topic please....this is not a continuation of the flat tax thread..I have stated this many many times.
I mean fuck..I know why other people dont want to participate in this thread now.

Are you stalking me bro?.
Why are all of your posts {99 percent} to me the last several days????
Look at you.
Go the fuck away dude.
Why do you insist on going on and on like this?.....How many weeks have you been doing this?
Now no one participates in the threads we are in{you cant see that?}...I dont like that shit...I come here for the people...not to have a pissing match with stone the entire time I am online...I dont know how else to say it bro....The shit is an eyesore no one digs it....A little while is cool...thing is you wont stop..

Stop trolling/stalking me bro.

All you are doing is confirming that you debate out of the convenience of the moment, TM.
You seem to change your debate whenever it gets into trouble, rather than conceding you are wrong.

I did not say I was in favor of a flat tax

From post number 5 of that thread

But you did...in your opening post......a flat 25% sales tax.

I am not trying to create a flat tax system..It was just used as an example of "We all pay the same percentage of tax on all earnings" The only reason I went with the consumption rather than pretax...is so people would not start concentrating on our tax structure.

And post 25 in that thread by me

Look at that TM......you start off with a flat sales tax argument and proceed in denying it, later calling it a flat tax on all earnings.
From your opening post>

The tax occurs at the time of spending.,,not when funds are acquired
This tax will cover all combined govt spending.

I say 25 percent is fair

And you don't think that's debating out of convenience?
BULLSHIT!

Why are all of your posts {99 percent} to me the last several days????

You keep making taxation arguments and I respond to your claims, TM.
That and no one else is expressing comments.

Go the fuck away dude.

That's not nice at all.

Now no one participates in the threads we are in

Not my fault you keep posting comments that beg a response from me.
Hell.......you're doing it right now.

I dont like that shit.

Well....go back to your thread topic instead of constantly engaging me in off topic debate.

Stop trolling/stalking me bro

You are way too sensitive, TM........you even gave me a green rep for agreeing with you earlier.
Now when I disagree you call it trolling and stalking.
You started this tax discussion and I haven't followed you out of this forum other than to recently ask you a pleasant non aggressive question about what State you'd like to live in.

 

[The Man]

Dude I done went to another thread dont follow me

 

[Stone]

Dude I done went to another thread dont follow me

Slick, I post where ever I see interest......and I've already posted there.

 

[Springsteen]

This has gone too far. Can't you go away for a week?