What to do with Criminal kids?

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Peter Parka

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you can't apply it to every case, but I think it fits the majority.

So therefore you believe in punishing innocent people then. Sorry, I really couldn't agree with that.

When I was kid, I broke someones windscreen. My parent taught me about responosibility by paying for it myself out of my own pocket and accepting any punishment that went along with this.
In your strange world they were being bad parents and should have paid for it themself as they obviously made me do it by the way they brought me up and by teaching me that breaking peoples windows is wrong.
 
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So therefore you believe in punishing innocent people then. Sorry, I really couldn't agree with that.

When I was kid, I broke someones windscreen. My parent taught me about responosibility by paying for it myself out of my own pocket and accepting any punishment that went along with this.
In your strange world they were being bad parents and should have paid for it themself as they obviously made me do it by the way they brought me up and by teaching me that breaking peoples windows is wrong.

No not at all, if the parents get though to the kid and offer a proper punishment, then they shouldn't need to be punished.

What you're talking about was, I'm guessing, an accident. That's totally different from what we're really talking about here which is proper criminal activity.

In that incident, were the police involved?
 

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My opinion is that the parents should be punished for the child's crimes. Perhaps that will wake the parents up into actually raising the kids properly.

That idea has no merit in my mind. I agree that it takes the responsibility away from the individual commiting the crime. I don't really have a good idea other than punishment and rehabilitation. And it is questionable if that works.
 

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That idea has no merit in my mind. I agree that it takes the responsibility away from the individual commiting the crime. I don't really have a good idea other than punishment and rehabilitation. And it is questionable if that works.

The idea behind it is to instill the importance of parents taking responsibility. Children cannot.
 

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No not at all, if the parents get though to the kid and offer a proper punishment, then they shouldn't need to be punished.

What you're talking about was, I'm guessing, an accident. That's totally different from what we're really talking about here which is proper criminal activity.

In that incident, were the police involved?

It was an accident as a result of a fight, my fault entirely I'm afraid. I could have got a criminal record if the owners of the car had phoned the police. By your argument, my parents should have got a criminal record too because it obviously meant they hadn't taught me right from wrong. Sorry to break your narrowminded stereotyping but the fact is it's simply not true that all kids who commit crime have bad parents and kids arn't little robots that you can programme to do what you want. Maybe when you have kids of your own, you mind be able to understand that.
 

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The idea behind it is to instill the importance of parents taking responsibility. Children cannot.


You don't believe children to should be held responsible for their own actions? Jesus Christ!:willy_nilly: At what point during adulthood do you think they will suddenly realise that now they are responsible for their actions? But then, they could always pass the buck which you feel is the responsible, moral and fair thing to do, because their parents didn't teach them that.
 

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It was an accident as a result of a fight, my fault entirely I'm afraid. I could have got a criminal record if the owners of the car had phoned the police. By your argument, my parents should have got a criminal record too because it obviously meant they hadn't taught me right from wrong. Sorry to break your narrowminded stereotyping but the fact is it's simply not true that all kids who commit crime have bad parents and kids arn't little robots that you can programme to do what you want. Maybe when you have kids of your own, you mind be able to understand that.

it wasn't a crime though, was it? It was an accident. That's totally different than kids kicking in a bus shelter out of boredom, mugging someone at knife point or raping a girl?

There would've been no need in that instance to involve the police, nor give anyone a criminal record.

The fact is that until a child is 16 they are the responsibility of their parents. Surely that extends to the childs behaviour? If they're being seriously anti-social, then the parents should take responsibility for that.
 

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Following on fro the heated debate of this thread:

http://offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=63165

How about some constructive opinions on what to do about Britain's runaway youth?

My opinion is that the parents should be punished for the child's crimes. Perhaps that will wake the parents up into actually raising the kids properly.

Any other ideas?

I say punish the kids and the parents.
 

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Historians will look back and see that our feeling of entitlement to instant gratification was the death of our society.

Kids grow into adults. Kid criminals grow into adult criminals unless someone steps in and breaks the cycle. Jailing them all together so they can compare notes and improve their criminal behavior skills doesn't break the cycle. Criminals cost tons of taxpayer money. I recommend taking some of the money that we know with statistical certainty we will be spending on them when they're adults and using it to break that cycle now.

The SEED Foundation http://www.seedfoundation.com/ has shown that taking kids out of their regular environment and providing structure creates successful adults. I'm sure that if a few brainiacs got together they could figure out a way to do that with the entire family. Yank the child offender and family out of the neighborhood and move them temporarily to a different area where structure and training are provided to give them a better chance at producing productive adult citizens. Of course it would have to be completely open to the media to prevent it from becoming some kind of indoctrination camp, but isn't turning young thugs into trustworthy people more important than the feeling of satisfaction from punishing that young thug and producing a highly skilled older thug?
 

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Historians will look back and see that our feeling of entitlement to instant gratification was the death of our society.

Kids grow into adults. Kid criminals grow into adult criminals unless someone steps in and breaks the cycle. Jailing them all together so they can compare notes and improve their criminal behavior skills doesn't break the cycle. Criminals cost tons of taxpayer money. I recommend taking some of the money that we know with statistical certainty we will be spending on them when they're adults and using it to break that cycle now.

The SEED Foundation http://www.seedfoundation.com/ has shown that taking kids out of their regular environment and providing structure creates successful adults. I'm sure that if a few brainiacs got together they could figure out a way to do that with the entire family. Yank the child offender and family out of the neighborhood and move them temporarily to a different area where structure and training are provided to give them a better chance at producing productive adult citizens. Of course it would have to be completely open to the media to prevent it from becoming some kind of indoctrination camp, but isn't turning young thugs into trustworthy people more important than the feeling of satisfaction from punishing that young thug and producing a highly skilled older thug?

I like it. :thumbup
 

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The idea behind it is to instill the importance of parents taking responsibility. Children cannot.

I disagree. Learning to be an adult means learning to take responsibility, but you don't have to be an adult, to learn the concept of responsibility. I know of several cases of parents bailing out children, always there to save them and give them financial support no matter how irresponsible they act. This teaches the former children only how to be dependent on the parents as banks, as the get-out-of-jail entities in their lives. When can taking responsibility be taught? From a very early age.
 
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