What to do with Criminal kids?

[edgray]

Following on fro the heated debate of this thread:

http://offtopicz.net/showthread.php?t=63165

How about some constructive opinions on what to do about Britain's runaway youth?

My opinion is that the parents should be punished for the child's crimes. Perhaps that will wake the parents up into actually raising the kids properly.

Any other ideas?

 

[Zorak]

If you ask me, punishing the parents for a kids crime is quickly teaching them that they're not responsible for their own actions.

 

[edgray]

If you ask me, punishing the parents for a kids crime is quickly teaching them that they're not responsible for their own actions.

obviously the kids need to get in trouble too, and if their parents are getting into trouble because of them, surely the parents would punish the kids? I just think responsibility needs to land on both the parents and the child's shoulders.

And if parents were aware of the fact they could get into trouble, do you not think they might actually start raising the kids properly?

 

[cam elle toe]

obviously the kids need to get in trouble too, and if their parents are getting into trouble because of them, surely the parents would punish the kids? I just think responsibility needs to land on both the parents and the child's shoulders.

And if parents were aware of the fact they could get into trouble, do you not think they might actually start raising the kids properly?

I know of some fantastic parent who's kids have gone astray...despite their best efforts/intervention/help whatever. Yes, there are parents out there that should be punished, but if something like this was brought in (and they have seriously debated it here) each case should be looked at individually.

You cant blanketly (HA..I just made that word up I think) blame the parents.

 

[edgray]

I know of some fantastic parent who's kids have gone astray...despite their best efforts/intervention/help whatever. Yes, there are parents out there that should be punished, but if something like this was brought in (and they have seriously debated it here) each case should be looked at individually.

You cant blanketly (HA..I just made that word up I think) blame the parents.

Of course you can. And should. Kids are a parents responsibility until they're 18. Growing up I never met a single kid who's parents were loving and caring who went astray. I knew tons of kids whose parents were complete arseholes who went very astray.

 

[cam elle toe]

Of course you can. And should. Kids are a parents responsibility until they're 18. Growing up I never met a single kid who's parents were loving and caring who went astray. I knew tons of kids whose parents were complete arseholes who went very astray.

well theres the difference. You personally havent met any or dont know any. Are you a parent?

As I said...IF the parent is a deadbeat and irresponsible...then absolutely hold them PARTIALLY responsible. There are way too many variables to just brand ALL parents of wayward kids irresponsible, no matter what your own experience may be.

 

[edgray]

well theres the difference. You personally havent met any or dont know any. Are you a parent?

As I said...IF the parent is a deadbeat and irresponsible...then absolutely hold them PARTIALLY responsible. There are way too many variables to just brand ALL parents of wayward kids irresponsible, no matter what your own experience may be.

I really do disagree on this one Cam.

I'm not a parent myself, but I would hold myself 100% responsible for my child's actions until the kid was 18.

I grew up in a very strict household. Me and my two brothers seldom got into trouble because we knew full well that our mother would beat the living daylights out of us when we did. She took total responsibility for what we did, and then punished us accordingly. Now, that, in my mind, isn't the way to raise kids, but there's something to be said for discipline and a lot to be said for taking responsibility.

It's the responsibility of the parent to feed, clothe, house the kid, as well as make sure he's raised as a decent member of society. If the kid fails, the parents have to take responsibility.

It's the parents job to teach kids right from wrong. If they fail at this, and it affects society, they should be punished for their failures.

 

[freakofnature]

I would say that a majority of kids who commit crimes probably don't have good parents but there are exceptions to everything. When I was in high school there was a guy a few years older than I who murdered one of his classmates and he had good, responsible parents. A parent can only do so much and at some point their children are going to go their own way.

 

[cam elle toe]

I really do disagree on this one Cam.

I'm not a parent myself, but I would hold myself 100% responsible for my child's actions until the kid was 18.

I grew up in a very strict household. Me and my two brothers seldom got into trouble because we knew full well that our mother would beat the living daylights out of us when we did. She took total responsibility for what we did, and then punished us accordingly. Now, that, in my mind, isn't the way to raise kids, but there's something to be said for discipline and a lot to be said for taking responsibility.

It's the responsibility of the parent to feed, clothe, house the kid, as well as make sure he's raised as a decent member of society. If the kid fails, the parents have to take responsibility.

It's the parents job to teach kids right from wrong. If they fail at this, and it affects society, they should be punished for their failures.

I think we'll agree to disagree...this last statement...:smiley24:

 

[edgray]

I would say that a majority of kids who commit crimes probably don't have good parents but there are exceptions to everything. When I was in high school there was a guy a few years older than I who murdered one of his classmates and he had good, responsible parents. A parent can only do so much and at some point their children are going to go their own way.

yeah obviously you're always going to have nutters who turn out to be psychos and no amount of good parenting will stop that.

but the psychos aren't the problem so much as the rise in criminality amongst kids in general.

 

[edgray]

I think we'll agree to disagree...this last statement...:smiley24:

you don't think it's the parents job to teach kids right from wrong?

 

[cam elle toe]

yeah obviously you're always going to have nutters who turn out to be psychos and no amount of good parenting will stop that.

but the psychos aren't the problem so much as the rise in criminality amongst kids in general.

:willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:Am I not speaking English?:clap

 

[cam elle toe]

you don't think it's the parents job to teach kids right from wrong?

YES!!!! Absolutely...but as you said yourself^^^^^ you cant blame ALL parents.

 

[edgray]

:willy_nilly::willy_nilly::willy_nilly:Am I not speaking English?:clap

I don't know I can't hear you. You are writing English though, well done

 

[cam elle toe]

I don't know I can't hear you. You are writing English though, well done

Footy is starting....FINALLY...catch ya later.:thumbup

 

[edgray]

YES!!!! Absolutely...but as you said yourself^^^^^ you cant blame ALL parents.

if the kid is suffering from some sort of psychosis then sure, you can't really blame the parents. But for petty crime, general disobedience, assault, burglary, carrying knives etc, I think you can.

 

[edgray]

Footy is starting....FINALLY...catch ya later.:thumbup

ok Cam, enjoy

 

[Ryder]

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You'll never find me. Unless I want to be found.

"It puts the lotion on it's skin or it gets the hose again..."

 

[Peter Parka]

Bring back borstals and national service.:thumbup

 

[edgray]

Bring back borstals and national service.:thumbup

I don't know about Borstals, a training ground for delinquents if there ever was one.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WAifvU8IQps

Definitely some kind of nation service, not necessarily army related. I read an interesting interview with Andy McNabb or Bravo Two Zero fame. He was a young troublemaker and being packed off to the army was his salvation. He strongly recommends it.