What is your belief?

[FunkyIce]

Are you an Atheist, Agnostic or Theist?


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What do you truly believe to be the answer?​

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Please, explain why you have your belief.
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Please, debate without getting personal. I know this is an area where many people get very emotional.
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Let me start

I am agnostic. I believe the "god" area is a place where we can't be sure. I believe that to think you have the ability to answer this great question is absurd. We can''t know.


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[lemon]

i have a question in return: why do we have to group ourselves, based on our beliefs?
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now, to answer your question:

i do not care.

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going with your answer to your own question:

I am agnostic. I believe the "god" area is a place where we can't be sure. I believe that to think you have the ability to answer this great question is absurd. We can''t know.

so - in order to provide you an answer - you assume that we cannot, because you believe we cannot. hmm. interesting. i could attack that like hell. but.. i will not. too demeaning, i think..
but, i will ask -- do you mind expanding?

 

[TheOnly]

i belive in god and........im not really sure why. i supose mainly its because thats what i was brought up with. But its also because i belive that god gives me strength. and even if god does not exist the thought that he is giving me strength, strengthens me in itself. does that make any sence? no? thought not.

I supose i belive in god because i have to. i am to weak to survive on my own.

 

[FunkyIce]

i have a question in return: why do we have to group ourselves, based on our beliefs?
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now, to answer your question:

i do not care.

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going with your answer to your own question:




so - in order to provide you an answer - you assume that we cannot, because you believe we cannot. hmm. interesting. i could attack that like hell. but.. i will not. too demeaning, i think..
but, i will ask -- do you mind expanding?

Well let me put it this way, if you are not an Atheist, Theist or Agnostic, what are you?

Go ahead, attack my view, you seem confident in your abilities, so go ahead.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I went from agnostic, to flat out hearing about God this God that, to being athiest . blah. I don't care what there is, I can't believe in something or someone that I can't prove exists.

 

[lemon]

Well let me put it this way, if you are not an Atheist, Theist or Agnostic, what are you?

i do believe i answered your question already, but let me rephrase my answer - i do not care about what category everyone else puts me in, and i do not place myself in any particular category, because i do not care.

Go ahead, attack my view, you seem confident in your abilities, so go ahead.

i will not attack your view. there is no point, because one cannot attack an opinion. unless it has no point to having such opinion.. like thinking one is absurd for attempting to answer a question that you proposed everyone try to answer.

what i am attacking is you thinking that it would be absurd to think that anyone can answer that question truly. why would you ask such a "great" question, and then think absurdly of those who think they have the ability to answer.

what i think you are getting at is the question: "how do you think life started?"

 

[White2000GT]

Well, so far I guess I would be the first one that believes in God because of personal experience. I won't state in here what that personal experience is because, well, it's personal. But I will say that yes, I do believe in God. And that will never change.

 

[elluko]

I believe in God and Jesus and no one will ever change that.
I may not be a very religeous man, but I do have my beliefs.

 

[FunkyIce]

i do believe i answered your question already, but let me rephrase my answer - i do not care about what category everyone else puts me in, and i do not place myself in any particular category, because i do not care.


i will not attack your view. there is no point, because one cannot attack an opinion. unless it has no point to having such opinion.. like thinking one is absurd for attempting to answer a question that you proposed everyone try to answer.

what i am attacking is you thinking that it would be absurd to think that anyone can answer that question truly. why would you ask such a "great" question, and then think absurdly of those who think they have the ability to answer.

what i think you are getting at is the question: "how do you think life started?"

I ignored it initially because I did not want to go into a long debate. Let me go back to your first post.

When I had clearly asked if you were Agnostic, Atheist or Theist, you simply answered “I don’t care!” Do you understand how stupid this comment is? It’s like asking a child how many brothers he has and the child answers by saying “I don’t care” Yea, I didn’t ask if you care or not, I asked if you how many brothers you have.

On to your next question about why we have to group ourselves based on our beliefs. This is also a question of stupidity. There are only three possible, those being Agnosticism, Atheism and Theism. We have group ourselves because these are the only options. You don’t seem to have a point behind you, so I assume you are not aware of what I am talking about.

One can’t attack an opinion? All I have to say is bullshit! People’s philosophies are their opinions. Different philosophical views are attacked and debated all the time.

To the next issue.

So, you think I am idiotic for asking a question and then giving my opinion on the matter? I’m basically saying that I am agnostic and I don’t believe that we can answer the question I have posed. Give your opinion and explain why you believe otherwise. I have given my view, then allowing other members to post their views and motivating them.
So, basically from your logic, it is impossible for an agnostic to have a discussion with an Atheist as well as a Theist. I see a huge hole in your logic right there.


So you are telling me that my question should be "how do you think life started?"
Where the hell do you come off telling me what my question should be?


The concept is not so hard to understand but you seem to have trouble with it.
Is there anything else you would like to debate about?

 

[sharpies]

Yeah yeah, God this, God that, blah, blah, blah.

Which God???

Allan

 

[greenman]

I believe there is a God but about the rest I am not at all sure of. I can't seem to conform to a certain religion because of the views that are in that certain faith. I tend to believe in reincarnation more than anything else and I think one day I'll work it out for myself and i can understand more about myself and the world through God. But I don't think it's as easy as just going to church and listening to propaganda for afew hours.

 

[White2000GT]

Yeah yeah, God this, God that, blah, blah, blah.

Which God???

Allan

Whichever one a person chooses to believe in.
Look, the fact is that no one knows what, if anything, comes after death because the only ones who could tell us are... well, dead. I see one of two things happening. One, once we are all dead and in the afterlife, those of us who believed will be saying "I told you so" to those who didn't. Or two, if there is indeed no God and no Heaven then once we are all dead at least those of us who believed won't have to worry about hearing "I told you so" from those who didn't believe because... well, that's just it... we'd all be dead with no afterlife at all.
Me personally, I like to think there is more to our being on this planet than to just live and die. But, at the same time I will neither press my beliefs upon anyone else, nor will I judge anyone negatively if they don't share the same beliefs as me.

 

[Peter Parka]

I would probably class myself as Agnostic. I believe in God but I think the world would be a much better place without organised religion looking down on everyone and trying to kill people who don't conform to their beliefs. One of the fundamental teachings of the Bible is love thy neighbour so how do religious people justify their wars and intollerance?

 

[FunkyIce]

I find, with many of my Atheist friends is that they attack a certain view of god. And I support them in doing so. I find, for a person to define what god would be like is bizarre. That’s why I don’t like using the word “god” In many conversations, I have told the person who I am speaking with to replace the word “god” with “something” By using the word “something” we have not put any boundaries on god. And if you take it a step farther, I can say there is either “something” or “nothing” Just say that there might be “something” after death.

 

[White2000GT]

That’s why I don’t like using the word “god” In many conversations, I have told the person who I am speaking with to replace the word “god” with “something” By using the word “something” we have not put any boundaries on god. And if you take it a step farther, I can say there is either “something” or “nothing” Just say that there might be “something” after death.

So, am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that if you are talking to someone and they mention God you ask them to use the word "something" instead of "God"? If so, then I don't see where you have any right to ask someone to censor what they are saying for your benefit. How is that any different from some religious holy roller trying to cram their beliefs down your throat?
And if I misinterpreted what you said, well then, belay my last.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

I ignored it initially because I did not want to go into a long debate. Let me go back to your first post.

When I had clearly asked if you were Agnostic, Atheist or Theist, you simply answered “I don’t care!” Do you understand how stupid this comment is? It’s like asking a child how many brothers he has and the child answers by saying “I don’t care” Yea, I didn’t ask if you care or not, I asked if you how many brothers you have.

On to your next question about why we have to group ourselves based on our beliefs. This is also a question of stupidity. There are only three possible, those being Agnosticism, Atheism and Theism. We have group ourselves because these are the only options. You don’t seem to have a point behind you, so I assume you are not aware of what I am talking about.

One can’t attack an opinion? All I have to say is bullshit! People’s philosophies are their opinions. Different philosophical views are attacked and debated all the time.

To the next issue.

So, you think I am idiotic for asking a question and then giving my opinion on the matter? I’m basically saying that I am agnostic and I don’t believe that we can answer the question I have posed. Give your opinion and explain why you believe otherwise. I have given my view, then allowing other members to post their views and motivating them.
So, basically from your logic, it is impossible for an agnostic to have a discussion with an Atheist as well as a Theist. I see a huge hole in your logic right there.


So you are telling me that my question should be "how do you think life started?"
Where the hell do you come off telling me what my question should be?


The concept is not so hard to understand but you seem to have trouble with it.
Is there anything else you would like to debate about?

So now you're basically attacking lemon for expressing his personal beliefs? His personal belief is he DOESN'T CARE about God, or religion. That's his belief, yet you attack him because it's "stupid" in your eyes.

You're just as bad as those religious zealots that used to cram their shit down my throat as a kid.

 

[FunkyIce]

So, am I reading this correctly? Are you saying that if you are talking to someone and they mention God you ask them to use the word "something" instead of "God"? If so, then I don't see where you have any right to ask someone to censor what they are saying for your benefit. How is that any different from some religious holy roller trying to cram their beliefs down your throat?
And if I misinterpreted what you said, well then, belay my last.

The entire point of that post was to show my view on "god". I merely ask for you to look at the "god issue" from my point of view. I don’t know how my belief is related to a religious holy roller trying to cram their beliefs down your throat. It's just that many peoples perception of god is a predefined entity.

 

[FunkyIce]

So now you're basically attacking lemon for expressing his personal beliefs? His personal belief is he DOESN'T CARE about God, or religion. That's his belief, yet you attack him because it's "stupid" in your eyes.

You're just as bad as those religious zealots that used to cram their shit down my throat as a kid.

Lemon is stating things like "One can't attack an opinion" I reply by saying that’s bullshit. In my post I have demonstrated that you can in fact attack an opinion, that is what philosophy is. When someone makes a statement like the one lemon has made, how can you not see the logical flaw in it?

When he posted "I don’t care", this is another issue that he has failed to think through. If he doesn't care about god, that automatically makes him Agnostic. He does not care if there is or isn't god.

Christ, I thought this was a philosophy and debate forum. I must have not read the title properly.

 

[lemon]

I ignored it initially because I did not want to go into a long debate. Let me go back to your first post.

When I had clearly asked if you were Agnostic, Atheist or Theist, you simply answered “I don’t care!” Do you understand how stupid this comment is? It’s like asking a child how many brothers he has and the child answers by saying “I don’t care” Yea, I didn’t ask if you care or not, I asked if you how many brothers you have.

On to your next question about why we have to group ourselves based on our beliefs. This is also a question of stupidity. There are only three possible, those being Agnosticism, Atheism and Theism. We have group ourselves because these are the only options. You don’t seem to have a point behind you, so I assume you are not aware of what I am talking about.

One can’t attack an opinion? All I have to say is bullshit! People’s philosophies are their opinions. Different philosophical views are attacked and debated all the time.

To the next issue.

So, you think I am idiotic for asking a question and then giving my opinion on the matter? I’m basically saying that I am agnostic and I don’t believe that we can answer the question I have posed. Give your opinion and explain why you believe otherwise. I have given my view, then allowing other members to post their views and motivating them.
So, basically from your logic, it is impossible for an agnostic to have a discussion with an Atheist as well as a Theist. I see a huge hole in your logic right there.


So you are telling me that my question should be "how do you think life started?"
Where the hell do you come off telling me what my question should be?


The concept is not so hard to understand but you seem to have trouble with it.
Is there anything else you would like to debate about?

if you did not wish to engage in a long debate, why, would you in your question, ask that the debate not become personal? thinking about that request, just now, kinda does not have much meat to the concept, because the debate deals with personal beliefs. kinda hard not to get personal.

let me go back to my first reply - i did not emphasize my reponse to your question with an exclamation point. do not modify what i said and attempt to use it against me. i catch it very quick. i do it too, but only in a humorous kind of way.

on to your next point about me asking my next question, which relates to grouping. the reason why i am sort of ticked off, is because you said my question was stupid. or shows some form of stupidity. well, sometimes, the way a person thinks, does not necessarily work the same way another person thinks. such so happens bewteen you and me. what you might think is a stupid question just so happens to not be a stupid question to me. and to the truth, or what i suppose could be classified as the truth, that question is not a stupid one. plus, the category you forgot to mention is the "i dont give a rats ass about what i believe in and how i group / associate myself with people of the same beliefs that i have" group. im in that group. but i dont give a rats ass about it. if the group falls apart, no skin off my back. and ill keep the change too. [damnit, im drifting on a tangent again]

right now, i do not even feel like discussing anything with you. got way too much stuff to do at home. and a bit of research online to do. so...

 

[andcuriouser]

Okay, I've skimmed the replies, and I'm going to ignore the arguments and discussions thus far and just answer the question.

I don't know, and I suppose that might make me agnostic. But that's such an off term for it. I mean, some agnostics believe that a god exists and is just unknowable, others believe that there is no way to know, and still others do not believe in a god but believe in a possibility. I want to believe in a god, but I have a very hard time justifying it.

I was raised with God, and taught to have respect, reverence, and even fear of Him. I was taught this by my mother, and when things with her soured, I guess any strong belief I had in God was gone too. It's a personal thing, it shouldn't really matter. I just don't know. Religion hasn't agreed with me very well to this point, so I've just chosen to go without.

I don't know if a god exists, or the Jainist's jiva, or any other form of spirituality. Maybe others have a stronger understanding, or stronger faith than I do. I'm fine with that. For me, I've decided to live with being unsure, because I don't think blind faith is the answer, but complete rejection of the whole concept can't be either...