What is this nations fascination with fire arms?

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All Else Failed

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Have you ever heard of the Mafia?

Are you familiar with their beginnings and the gang wars that raged with people being gunned down in the streets?
Are you familiar with the 21st century to which we're speaking about? The mafia was big in the 1900's, 20's, and 30's. A few remnants survived to the 80's and 90's. They hardly even exist now.



Or the arryan brother hood?
Most of the members are in prison, they hardly have a few thousand members on the outside.






I mean, you guys can choose to reject the fact that most crime is done by minority street gangs to seem progressive and nice, but reality is reality. Live in it.
 
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I mean, you guys can choose to reject the fact that most crime is done by minority street gangs to seem progressive and nice, but reality is reality. Live in it.

I sort of left this thread for a bit, and come back to a very productive discussion, in which you made some very good, entirely logical, sensible points regarding the issue. My mind sort of paraphrased it as:

“Oh, but there are white gangs too”

“Yeah. But they don’t count”

“Really, like, not even dangerous gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, and the Hells angels? “

“Nah.”

“Oh, why not?”

“Because the Hells Angels aren’t a street gang, because they don’t wear baggy clothes and live in ghettos. And the Aryan Brotherhood only kills like 2 people a year, so yeah. Black gangs kill like, thousands in drug related crime and shit, bro. White gangs don’t get involved in drug related crime, especially not the hells angels; we’re, I mean, they’re more sophisticated than that.”

Yes, we should all live in reality, but, that doesn’t mean we should subscribe to your reality, all you’re doing is making an extremely flawed and short-sighted viewpoint on the issue of race-related crime, and completely disregarding any facts that are in opposition to your viewpoint.

Anyway, back to the main question:


All Else Failed said:
The question of why, statistically, blacks commit more crime and are involved more in gang violence?

Although, I am still confused, because I thought this issue was properly addressed when he first brought it up.

Me said:
There are other ways of explaining that. Actually, you cannot clearly say that poor blacks cause more crime than poor whites, rather, poor blacks get caught and convicted at higher rates than poor whites. There's a big difference there; in nearly every Western country in the world, including Australia, the UK and the United States, the Police are regulary known to over-police minority individuals and communities.

Maybe there's another question we can ask, which is why, statistically, that minority groups are more likely to be victims of crime, as opposed to whites. I don't think we'll have anyone here saying, "Oh, it's a cultural thing that they're victimised more"
 

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I sort of left this thread for a bit, and come back to a very productive discussion, in which you made some very good, entirely logical, sensible points regarding the issue. My mind sort of paraphrased it as:

“Oh, but there are white gangs too”

“Yeah. But they don’t count”

“Really, like, not even dangerous gangs like the Aryan Brotherhood, and the Hells angels? “

“Nah.”

“Oh, why not?”

“Because the Hells Angels aren’t a street gang, because they don’t wear baggy clothes and live in ghettos. And the Aryan Brotherhood only kills like 2 people a year, so yeah. Black gangs kill like, thousands in drug related crime and shit, bro. White gangs don’t get involved in drug related crime, especially not the hells angels; we’re, I mean, they’re more sophisticated than that.”

Yes, we should all live in reality, but, that doesn’t mean we should subscribe to your reality, all you’re doing is making an extremely flawed and short-sighted viewpoint on the issue of race-related crime, and completely disregarding any facts that are in opposition to your viewpoint.

Anyway, back to the main question:




Although, I am still confused, because I thought this issue was properly addressed when he first brought it up.



Maybe there's another question we can ask, which is why, statistically, that minority groups are more likely to be victims of crime, as opposed to whites. I don't think we'll have anyone here saying, "Oh, it's a cultural thing that they're victimised more"
The way you phrased my arguments is totally wrong, and shows that you weren't paying attention. Reread everything.
 
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