What God would you rather accept?

[SRC]

I don't know all, but I can see that the concept of god is just a social and cultural phenomena.

Suuure it is .. ok .. that's great .. and I hope when the end comes .. I hope you are one of the first ones to find out the truth.

 

[All Else Failed]

Suuure it is .. ok .. that's great .. and I hope when the end comes .. I hope you are one of the first ones to find out the truth.

awww thats not very Christian of you, now is it? :24:

oh, and BTW: Matthew 7:2


better get to the confessional.

 

[SRC]

I'm not catholic .. I don't go to confession

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I'm not catholic .. I don't go to confession

Confession is not just a functionof the Catholic religion, it is suggested for all Christians.

 

[IntruderLS1]

God created hell by creating satan, and allows eternal torture to go on...even though he is all loving? That is not love. A parent wouldn't let his child die in a burning house just because they didn't obey them. He invites us to join him, in eternal happiness, but if we choose otherwise, he allows us to slip into excruciating pain for the rest of our days, thats not even a choice. Thats a fucking threat.


See, if god was real, and if god was all loving, he would simply let the people who didn't believe in him die, and thats it (like it is already) and not have them be tortured (something he could easily stop, but chooses not to), and let the ones who did follow him into heaven. Simple enough. Hey look, I'm more fair, understanding and loving than gawd!

Your analogy isn't quite right. Parent rushing into a burning building to rescue a child implies helpless child. A more appropriate analogy would be a full grown adult standing in a burning room with his finger on the fire sprinkler button, but choosing to not push it because he is smart / wise enough to realize that he will not yield to the threat of flames.

and an all loving god, who knows you are in extreme agony for all of eternity, lets it happen because he is petty. BUT HE LOVES YOU!

Personally, I find the concept of the wisest being ever to exist wanting praise to be directed towards him is silly to the max.

God doesn't demand our praise. Our praise is a natural outcome of acceptance of the awsomness that is the great I AM. God's rules for salvation are only "Believe in Christ. Accept Him as your savior. Confess your salvation." That's a pretty cheap ticket into heaven if you ask me.

The life of service is totally volentary. The Bible teaches us that the burden is easy, and the yoke is light. There is a reason for that.

good thing you're not.

I'm still waiting for you over in the Science section to show me the truth. I WILL continue to challenge you until you show me why you believe what you do, UNLESS you admit our views are equally substantiated, OR you accept us for who we are, and stop telling us how wrong we are and how much proof you have. (My English teacher Mrs. Frost would kill me if she read that!!)

Ron... You have the potential to be the greatest among us. I would encourage you to spend genuine scientific time looking into what the scientific community knows, and simply hypothesis's to fill in the holes left when Creation is pushed off the table of possibility. Don't just accept. Use your natural talent and interest in the subjects to find the truth.

You'll always be acceted back if you're ready. No questions asked, with great excitement!! :rockon:

 

[debbie t]

What if Heaven/Hell is just a state of mind, rather than a location?

been reading the gospel of thomas have we?

 

[debbie t]

I don't know all, but I can see that the concept of god is just a social and cultural phenomena.

god is not a phenomenon,god is a realisation,and it is near impossible to intellectualise a realisation,other than thrugh anecdotal evidence which for some will never be considered evidence.

the former archbishop of canterbury once said that when praying he noticed that coincidences became so frequent that were beyond coincidence..this is the experience of most christians (and i dare ssay hindus,moslems etc)

many people on this forum ask for prayer,why do you think they do this?

2000years ago someone said i am the truth... i too hope that you experience the truth..and that is not unchristian at all

 

[All Else Failed]

god is not a phenomenon,god is a realisation,and it is near impossible to intellectualise a realisation,other than thrugh anecdotal evidence which for some will never be considered evidence.

the former archbishop of canterbury once said that when praying he noticed that coincidences became so frequent that were beyond coincidence..this is the experience of most christians (and i dare ssay hindus,moslems etc)

many people on this forum ask for prayer,why do you think they do this?

2000years ago someone said i am the truth... i too hope that you experience the truth..and that is not unchristian at all

They have been raised to think it actually works, nothing more.


Religion and god are not much unlike other cultural concepts. All cultures have art, all have music and styles...it is not hard to think for 3 seconds and realize that the god idea and religion is simply old ways of thinking to fill in the gaps to where their undeveloped socities couldn't explain.

 

[All Else Failed]

Your analogy isn't quite right. Parent rushing into a burning building to rescue a child implies helpless child. A more appropriate analogy would be a full grown adult standing in a burning room with his finger on the fire sprinkler button, but choosing to not push it because he is smart / wise enough to realize that he will not yield to the threat of flames.

Either way, an intelligent being (god) shouldn't let his creations he supposedly loved and sent his son to die for, slip into eternal damnation just because they chose to live differently. That is simply ignorance and petty thinking.


God doesn't demand our praise. Our praise is a natural outcome of acceptance of the awsomness that is the great I AM. God's rules for salvation are only "Believe in Christ. Accept Him as your savior. Confess your salvation." That's a pretty cheap ticket into heaven if you ask me.

The life of service is totally volentary. The Bible teaches us that the burden is easy, and the yoke is light. There is a reason for that.

On the contrary, god does require recognition and worship, or you are not following him! I really doubt many christians would follow or praise "god" if there wasn't the reward of heaven and threat of hell.

If it is voluntary, then there shouldn't be unimaginable punishment for those who do not wish to participate. it only makes sense.


I'm still waiting for you over in the Science section to show me the truth. I WILL continue to challenge you until you show me why you believe what you do, UNLESS you admit our views are equally substantiated, OR you accept us for who we are, and stop telling us how wrong we are and how much proof you have. (My English teacher Mrs. Frost would kill me if she read that!!)

Ron... You have the potential to be the greatest among us. I would encourage you to spend genuine scientific time looking into what the scientific community knows, and simply hypothesis's to fill in the holes left when Creation is pushed off the table of possibility. Don't just accept. Use your natural talent and interest in the subjects to find the truth.

You'll always be acceted back if you're ready. No questions asked, with great excitement!! :rockon:




Scott in all honesty, I doubt you will accept any evidence i give you in the science section, because they WILL clash with your religious beliefs, and I think you will simply discard them out of hand if they do. I mean no offense, but I've seen you do it in the past.

I accept what I accept to be true because all evidence points to it in the natural world. To believe in something that has no evidence behind it, isnt worth wasting yuor time with IMO. I fully accept who you are, I don't care what you believe, to tell you the truth. I fully support your right as a free human being to worship and do what you please, and I'll fight for that right at any chance possible, don't think I want to end your beliefs or something.


You talk about science all the time, and tell me to look at what the scientific community knows, I HAVE done that for years, and I know what they have come to the consensus of, and in no way does it point to any "creation". I don't accept, either. I do my own research and form my own beliefs and opinions, I'm not some puppet who will accept just anything that I read. I'm an independant mind. Is it possible that a god exists? Sure. Is it possible that he created the universe? Sure, but nothing points to that possibility what so ever.

^^^^^^

 

[debbie t]

so that is what sets us apart from the apes..music,art,thumbs and god

 

[Boomer]

I love God the way he is right now.

 

[debbie t]

im with the blood smelling weirdo

 

[All Else Failed]

so that is what sets us apart from the apes..music,art,thumbs and god

what sets us apart is our superior brain capacity, and some ascetic differences.

 

[debbie t]

what sets us apart is our superior brain capacity, and some ascetic differences.

hence music , art, thumbs,and god....(oh and steel boned corsetry:jk)

 

[SRC]

Confession is not just a functionof the Catholic religion, it is suggested for all Christians.

Actually .. Southern Baptist don't do that .. they pray and ask for forgiveness if they feel they were out of line .. but that's about it. It's not required though.

Confession is where you tell God about your sins and seek/expect some sort of punishment in order to rectify your wrongs.

Baptists dont' believe that God punishs you though, which is why I am not catholic .. I don't believe that.

 

[Boomer]

Actually .. Southern Baptist don't do that .. they pray and ask for forgiveness if they feel they were out of line .. but that's about it. It's not required though.

Confession is where you tell God about your sins and seek/expect some sort of punishment in order to rectify your wrongs.

Baptists dont' believe that God punishs you though, which is why I am not catholic .. I don't believe that.

God doesnt want us to morn our faith. He doesnt want to punish us everytime we sin. He wants us to recognize what we have done and repent for it. He loves even the most wayward of his flock.

 

[SRC]

God doesnt want us to morn our faith. He doesnt want to punish us everytime we sin. He wants us to recognize what we have done and repent for it. He loves even the most wayward of his flock.

Exactly .. although some versions of religion don't operate that way though: which is why I pointed out I wasn't of that variety of religion .

 

[debbie t]

src and boomer....thumbs up.the lords prayer itself does that for us

 

[Madeline]

God doesnt want us to morn our faith. He doesnt want to punish us everytime we sin. He wants us to recognize what we have done and repent for it. He loves even the most wayward of his flock.

God indeed does not want to punish us, but as a Father - He chastises His children when they leave the fold and rebel against Him. This is done out of Love.

".......My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." Hebrews 12:5,6

Love,
Madeline

 

[debbie t]

God indeed does not want to punish us, but as a Father - He chastises His children when they leave the fold and rebel against Him. This is done out of Love.

".......My son, despise not thou the chastening of the Lord, nor faint when thou art rebuked of him: For whom the Lord loveth he chasteneth, and scourgeth every son whom he receiveth." Hebrews 12:5,6

Love,
Madeline

knew there was something about you i liked maddy