Water Wasters

[Johnfromokc]

Yeah, you strike me as the type of man to belong to a HOA:24: I've got to ask, why did you even bother moving there due to the HOA?

Yeah, I'm kicking my own ass because of it. The property is secluded and desireable with Oklahoma City services, and as such will be easy to sell, even in a tight market. The energy sector in Oklahoma is booming, and unemployment is low at 5% compared to the rest of the country - THAT is why I bought it. I see a resale in the not too distant future.................Live and learn.

Other than the water wasting, they are not bad neighbors and everyone pretty much keeps to themselves. Having an HOA email group can really stir shit though. The lots are wooded and you cannot see most peoples homes from the street. We would not even have known about the wells going dry if they had not sent out a neighborhood email whining about it.

You know what is really interesting to me about these self proclaimed "affluent" people? Most of them are in debt up to their necks. One guy is a mortgage broker and has a pond with a big waterfall in his back yard - very pretty indeed. He ran his well dry and sent an email out complaining that he was trying to get his house refinanced at a lower rate in order to save $3,300 annually in interest charges, and that his pond being low, and the waterfall not being functional due to low water level, would hurt his appraisal and prevent his refinancing. To make matters worse (according to him) the well drillers are backed up past December now and won't be able to drill a new well in time for the appraisal. And I'd wager he will have to finance the well drilling with another loan or out of his home equity - assuming he has any.

Interesting thought processes some people have.

 

[Joe the meek]

Other than the water wasting, they are not bad neighbors and everyone pretty much keeps to themselves. Having an HOA email group can really stir shit though. The lots are wooded and you cannot see most peoples homes from the street. We would not even have known about the wells going dry if they had not sent out a neighborhood email whining about it.

The only thing us and our neighbors use our well water for is watering our gardens. Going on eight years living here and I don't think I've seen anyone water their lawn.

I wouldn't touch a HOA with a 10' pole. What seems ok now may not be the same in a couple years.

 

[Alien Allen]

water will be todays oil by the end of this century

it will be tightly controlled and there will be wars over it.

anybody interested in how water rights will be destroyed can pick up the book..............

"Whose water is it"

http://www.amazon.com/Whose-Water-Unquenchable-Thirst-Water-Hungry/dp/0792262387



don't think if you have a private well that means you will own the water. That will be changed over time. Already in one place in Canada they are talking about metering private wells. In MI meters are required on many types of non residential wells.

 

[Johnfromokc]

The only thing us and our neighbors use our well water for is watering our gardens. Going on eight years living here and I don't think I've seen anyone water their lawn.

I wish I had neighbors like that. These fukwits are all up in arms about brown grass and worried about "property values" and "affluence". I just read yet another freaking email with the word "affluent" in it. WTF is wrong with these people?

I wouldn't touch a HOA with a 10' pole. What seems ok now may not be the same in a couple years.

That's quite possible. We have exit plans already in the works.

water will be todays oil by the end of this century

No doubt, if not sooner. When you pump water from the ground that took millions of years to accumulate at the rate of millions of gallons per day, it will be sooner, rather than later when the water disputes erupt. I seriously doubt our aquifers can recharge anywhere near the rate we are withdrawing water from them.

it will be tightly controlled and there will be wars over it.

anybody interested in how water rights will be destroyed can pick up the book..............

"Whose water is it"

http://www.amazon.com/Whose-Water-Unquenchable-Thirst-Water-Hungry/dp/0792262387

What's sad is it (shortages and aquifer depletion) can be avoided with good stewardship. But it appears as if most people are like my neighbors and others all around Oklahoma City that water outdoors at will, thinking it will last forever.

don't think if you have a private well that means you will own the water. That will be changed over time. Already in one place in Canada they are talking about metering private wells. In MI meters are required on many types of non residential wells.

There have already been lawsuits won where residents with private water wells have sued other heavy water well users for dropping the water table to the point of having to drill new wells. In one case I'm familiar with, the water waster had to pay for quite a few new water wells to be drilled for his neighbors.

Sadly, this is what it takes - financial pain from lawsuits, massive fines and criminal penalties to force conservation. Right now, people like my neighbors who think themselves "affluent" see the golf courses using millions of gallons to keep the fairways and greens lush and attractive and figure why should they worry?

It's going to get ugly really fast in some locations, like here in OKC where we are not too far removed from the desert states that are already going through water shortages.

 

[Joe the meek]

I wish I had neighbors like that. These fukwits are all up in arms about brown grass and worried about "property values" and "affluence".

I'm only banking on the acreage we have will only increase in value due to the proximity to the "city" down the road. Brown or green lawn grass doesn't play much into that equation. That said, if you cut your grass on a regular basis to 4.5" instead of scalping it like I've seen some people do, it will only increase the chances it'll stay green if you don't have a lot of water (only my observations as I'm not a lawn care professional). I do however have some neighbors down the road who like to "stripe" their lawns. Could never figure that out LOL

 

[Johnfromokc]

I'm only banking on the acreage we have will only increase in value due to the proximity to the "city" down the road. Brown or green lawn grass doesn't play much into that equation. That said, if you cut your grass on a regular basis to 4.5" instead of scalping it like I've seen some people do, it will only increase the chances it'll stay green if you don't have a lot of water (only my observations as I'm not a lawn care professional).

You are 100% correct on the higher mowing. Most of my lawn looks better than the water wasting asshats because I mow it high - I've never watered it even once. It's common bermuda and just goes dormant in the heat anyway. These dipshits plant fescue knowing it gets over 100 degrees every year, and we have been over that since June this year.

Location is everything. I can leave my house and have my feet on the ground in Bricktown in 15 minutes. This baby will sell fast. I hope a water waster buys it and pumps all these fuckers dry, lol................:jk

 

[Joe the meek]

My neighbor has 50 acres for sale he's letting go for $399k (not a bad deal from what I've seen, nice rolling farmland with trees as well). Be mighty nice AND strange to have you as a neighbor I'll try not to be like your last neighbor in Georgia:24:

 

[Johnfromokc]

My neighbor has 50 acres for sale he's letting go for $399k (not a bad deal from what I've seen, nice rolling farmland with trees as well). Be mighty nice AND strange to have you as a neighbor I'll try not to be like your last neighbor in Georgia:24:

LOL...Kinda pricey, although I got $339,000 for my 37 acre place in Ga. You never know....But I'll be riding this dream job out here in okie pokie until they make me leave. Who knows, might luck out and get another 10 years out of it. But it damned sure won't be while living in this neighborhood.

 

[Joe the meek]

LOL...Kinda pricey, although I got $339,000 for my 37 acre place in Ga. You never know.....

The one thing they aren't making anymore is land. Go out and price 50 acres NOW (not when you sold) in a nice rolling farm/wooded property. I'm looking for a place for my inlaws to move near by, and the best value I've found is in the 2,000 sq ft house range ("modern house") with 5-10 acres (iin between 200-225k). Land by itself? Forget it, anywhere from 10-25k an acre, and this is in our "rural" county.

 

[CityGirl]

The one thing they aren't making anymore is land. Go out and price 50 acres NOW (not when you sold) in a nice rolling farm/wooded property. I'm looking for a place for my inlaws to move near by, and the best value I've found is in the 2,000 sq ft house range ("modern house") with 5-10 acres (iin between 200-225k). Land by itself? Forget it, anywhere from 10-25k an acre, and this is in our "rural" county.

You are correct, Joe but not only is there no more land being made but water and oil are finite resources on the planet as well. Oklahoma billionaire T. Boone Pickens has been busy buying water rights. Obviously he agrees with Alien Allen's comment

water will be todays oil by the end of this century

http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089040017753.htm

 

[Joe the meek]

You are correct, Joe but not only is there no more land being made but water and oil are finite resources on the planet as well. Oklahoma billionaire T. Boone Pickens has been busy buying water rights. Obviously he agrees with Alien Allen's comment http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089040017753.htm

What was the US population in 1900? What is it now?

Let me know when a law is passed that limits the amount of children a family can have.

 

[Alien Allen]

You are correct, Joe but not only is there no more land being made but water and oil are finite resources on the planet as well. Oklahoma billionaire T. Boone Pickens has been busy buying water rights. Obviously he agrees with Alien Allen's comment http://www.businessweek.com/magazine/content/08_25/b4089040017753.htm

Pickens is an opportunist.

I said what is gonna happen but I do not agree there is a crisis.

We have an abundance of water it just is that it can be cyclical and it depends on where you are. In addition some places never should have been developed such as that up and down the Colorado.

MI has some of the most idiotic water laws in the country. Which were the result of junk science. They will filter out to other states as MI is a leader in this kind of bullshit.

 

[cam elle toe]

Cant you dob in the water wasters there?

You can here...and they'll be fined.:thumbup

 

[Johnfromokc]

Pickens is an opportunist.

Ya think?

I said what is gonna happen but I do not agree there is a crisis.

There are regional crisis' already. The drawdown of the Central Oklahoma aquifer is quite serious.

We have an abundance of water it just is that it can be cyclical and it depends on where you are.

Indeed it does depend on where you are. The water will be taken from places like the Great Lakes and piped to the desert.

In addition some places never should have been developed such as that up and down the Colorado.

And Arizona, huge portions of Texas & California and Nevada to name a few more.

MI has some of the most idiotic water laws in the country. Which were the result of junk science. They will filter out to other states as MI is a leader in this kind of bullshit.

You guys will be piping water to the south - ya'll have a crap load of water in the midwest around the Great Lakes. Don't think the corporatocracy hasn't already got the pipeline planned right along with government subsidies to make it even more profitable for them.

 

[Johnfromokc]

Cant you dob in the water wasters there?

You can here...and they'll be fined.:thumbup

Our laws are different that your's Cam. Some localities, you can report water wasters and they can be fined heavily. Other areas like here in Oklahoma, it is more difficult, especially to private residental water well owners. We in the United States take water availability for granted and many believe we have an unlimited supply and that they have a right to waste that supply if they so desire.

Methinks there will be quite a wake up call coming in the next few decades.