Was Jesus a victim of self aggrandizing suicide?

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Was Jesus a victim of self aggrandizing suicide?

http://channel.nationalgeographic.com/series/expedition-week/4290/Overview#tab-Videos/07451_00

My position is simple.
To offer or be a scapegoat for others who will not step up to their own responsibilities and consequences for their action is immoral and self aggrandizing. I see mythical Jesus as doing just that.
To accept the sacrifice of a scapegoat Jesus and to try to profit from his death is also immoral.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYaQpRZJl18&feature=related

Scripture indicates, Trinitarians aside, that God the Father sent his son to die for mankind to fulfill a need that God himself created. That of a blood sacrifice to forgive sin when he has the power to forgive sin without it.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoHP-f-_F9U

As above so below.
For us to believe that God would plan for and send his son to die, we would have to think it normal and good for a father to bury his son. Any good man would reject such an example of good conduct as definitely not good, natural or moral. Any God the father, or earthly father, worth his title, would step up himself for such a task yet Bible God takes the cowardly route and sends his son. What a pathetic God. What pathetic followers he also has who would think that this is the way things should be.

Eze 18;20
The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.

Psa 49;7
None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:

Do you recognize the immorality of believers using Jesus as a scapegoat and of them trying to profit from his murder?

If his death was a suicide, which is the way I see it, is it moral for believers to try to profit from his pathetic self aggrandizing sacrifice?

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Hey coward, how about you finish the argument on a similar subject you just started and stop running? I like wiping the floor with you. You can't hide behind your youtube prophets forever.
 
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Pet Sounds said:
Hey coward, how about you finish the argument on a similar subject you just started and stop running? I like wiping the floor with you. You can't hide behind your youtube prophets forever.
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He's definitely not the first to choose to not reply to certain arguments, right or wrong, I've seen you do it many times, as do I and nearly everyone else on forums.

I don't see the point in being an ass about it, put him on ignore :surrender
 
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In one school of thought Jesus was the final human sacrifice. All the human and animal sacrifices before him didn't count because apparently they were inferior to Jesus. In another school of thought Jesus' death was incidental. His purpose was to show us the way to God. I'll let you guess which is the old school and which is the new.
 
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Joe the meek said:
Something else some people never really understand IMO is faith.
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There will always be people who don't have faith and can't comprehend why others do. It's not hard to see why, if you've not grown up with a cast-iron belief in God or religion then it's very difficult to learn. But there are also those who haven't experienced religious faith for themselves, but have some understanding of why people feel the way they do.

I don't pretend to fully understand faith and all it's intricacies. It's a complex and very personal thing. Even if you manage to get a good understanding of one's persons reasoning and beliefs, someone else will have an entirely different viewpoint. I'd go so far as to say hardly anyone can ever understand someone else's faith, because it's so deeply personal.
 
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BornReady said:
In one school of thought Jesus was the final human sacrifice. All the human and animal sacrifices before him didn't count because apparently they were inferior to Jesus. In another school of thought Jesus' death was incidental. His purpose was to show us the way to God. I'll let you guess which is the old school and which is the new.
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God could have sent an angel to deliver us the message of his love. God could have wiped out our sin from a distance, without having to send his Son to be with us and to die for our sins. But, he didn’t.

God’s word and God’s will required that God’s very presence be essential in our salvation, and our faith in God be freely given in response to God’s gift of salvation. Sending an angel to give us a message of how to live, while wiping out our sin without any response on our part, would have invalidated God’s word and God’s will. Throughout scripture, and most especially revealed in God’s willingness to continually strive with the Israelites even despite their idolatry and disobedience, it is clear that God desires children who will love and trust him. Like any father, far more than involuntary obedience God wants his children to trust him. We failed to trust God in the Garden of Eden, where we listened to and accepted the word of the serpent rather than God’s word. And, so, Jesus was born to give us the opportunity and ability to love and trust God again.

[FONT=Georgia, Times New Roman, Times, serif]In other words, Jesus states to the Father “Behold, here I am and those you’ve given me!” To put this simply, Jesus stands with us before the Father, and the Father looks through Jesus and sees us as if we are as perfect as Jesus. God, through Jesus, bridges the gulf we have created between us.[/FONT]
 
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Personally I find the notion of someone dying to make up for the wrongs of others barbaric but then what else would you expect from a book that approves of genocide?
 
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Just because He doesn't stop it, doesn't mean He approves. If God intervened every time we sinned and if we were never able to do wrong, then we would just be robots or automatons doing what God wants. Man created war, not God.​
 
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sexysadie said:
Just because He doesn't stop it, doesn't mean He approves. If God intervened every time we sinned and if we were never able to do wrong, then we would just be robots or automatons doing what God wants. Man created war, not God.​
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I agree, shame man frequently used god as an excuse for war.:(
 
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