Views on suicide?

[Codrus]

You only thought you were at your lowest.

as does everyone at that point

Did you walk around like a zombie with a hangover for over a week solid?

well over 3 months

Did you have trouble sleeping for over a week solid?

i would stay up for days on end, and never want to wake up when i finally did fall asleep...i still dont sleep well

Did you virtually starve yourself for over a week solid?

i wasn't good enough to eat,i didn't deserve food

Were you consumed with killing yourself 24/7 for over a week solid?

...consumed?, thats one way to put it. when all you think about is how the world would be a better place and how everyone would be better off if you just weren't there anymore.when just about about everything you see is a possible implement of your own demise by your own hand, and how you could do it with as little mess or fuss as possible so no-one would be burdened with the clean up

If you answered yes to all the above you are lucky.

I never have been suicidal but I am familiar with depression. And I only have had a mild case compared to many

yeah..i know about it, ive been there...so im entitled to my fucking opinion.

 

[Codrus]

Violent, murderous schizophrenics get locked up after they've taken a life and yes, they're forced into treatment. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing the problem with that.

i don't have a problem with that either...why bother with treatment?...fry the fuckers

 

[Codrus]

look..as i said earlier...this is my opinion and im entitled to it...are you?

if you don't like my opinion fine, but don't try and sway my decision or change my mind or my opinion on this by giving me some fucking whining bullshit...like "you don't know"...bullshit i do....do you?

 

[Codrus]

as far as suicide, i commend the person that Donnie was referring to for having the guts and seemingly thinking of others...but as far as someone who is healthy and just feeling sorry for themselves .....if your that fucked up in the head...do it and get the fuck off my planet before you mentally infect someone else and make them feel like shit as well

and im still sticking by this as well

 

[Codrus]

And your situation is different then others. Just because you could get through it, doesn't mean others are capable. Just because you could get through it with just a few friends, it doesn't mean others don't need lots of help or on-going treatment.

have you ever seen where i post that i long for the return of natural selection and my thoughts about the societal encouragement of weakness and frailty in mankind?

no?...go hug a tree

 

[Laure]

I should keep my views to myself but I can't. I find it terribly pathetic that children and adults cannot cop with life so they feel the need to take their own lives regardless of who else they may affect be it friends and family. People persevere through a lot worse shit than that 15 year old who was bullied and still live their lives. Where children are concerned, are they paying attention to their child? If they were that depressed and suicidal wouldn't they show signs?

Pathetic? No, I don't find it pathetic in the least.

Anybody who cannot understand what it is like to get to the point in their life where they just cannot cope any longer should count themselves very fortunate indeed. It's not a feeling I would wish upon my worst enemy.

When you're on your hands and knees in the bathroom floor, crawling in your own blood and vomit and the child you've just miscarried is in the toilet... When you feel like you've had a knife stabbed into your belly over and over again and you can't breathe and you can't stand up because the pain is so horrible it makes your vision go black and your tongue tingle... When you bite into your lip so hard you cause it to bleed, just so you don't scream as you're pushing yourself to your feet... When you force yourself to go into the kitchen and cook supper, after just suffering a terribly painful miscarriage, because you know what will happen if the food is late to the table... When all of this is happening because your husband got pissed off that your frequent bouts with morning sickness caused you to throw up an expensive meal and decided a good punishment would be to beat you real good then throw you into a sliding glass door... Those are the times that bottle of sleeping pills in the medicine cabinet starts to look pretty good.

So, no. Until somebody has been there, until they've felt that utter emptiness and emotionlessness and until they've been broken to that point, they cannot say it is pathetic to not be able to cope with life. Because, for some of us, there are times when life just isn't worth coping with anymore.

I'm coming down off my soapbox now, and I'm sorry for the emotional post, but this subject (and that particular opinion) strikes a nerve with me.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

have you ever seen where i post that i long for the return of natural selection and my thoughts about the societal encouragement of weakness and frailty in mankind?

no?...go hug a tree

Dwarinism and natural selection do seem like the best way to make mankind stronger, but how would you feel if it was your kid the doctors were refusing to treat or research to treat? What if you were that child?

It's a lot easier to simply say 'Get rid of the weak ones' when you aren't a or don't know a weak one. It's unnatural--but most things are nowadays. Mostly because we have humanity and we care about other human beings.

 

[Vekta]

Dwarinism and natural selection do seem like the best way to make mankind stronger, but how would you feel if it was your kid the doctors were refusing to treat or research to treat? What if you were that child?

It's a lot easier to simply say 'Get rid of the weak ones' when you aren't a or don't know a weak one. It's unnatural--but most things are nowadays. Mostly because we have humanity and we care about other human beings.

Funny thing about that is every human is technically "weak" in one aspect or another whether it's hubris, a physical or mental limitation. We'd all die if Darwinism were the law of the land.

 

[justmee]

damn its late. yeah, i think i`m gonna log off. before i go lay down i`m gonna go pee though, dont want to wet the bed yanno

 

[Goat Whisperer]

Funny thing about that is every human is technically "weak" in one aspect or another whether it's hubris, a physical or mental limitation. We'd all die if Darwinism were the law of the land.

Well he was meaning that if we just let people who were born with life threatening physical or mental defects, die, then it would slowly make the human race stronger, as they couldn't reproduce, but by letting them grow up and reproduce, we are slowly weakening the human race instead.

 

[Codrus]

Dwarinism and natural selection do seem like the best way to make mankind stronger, but how would you feel if it was your kid the doctors were refusing to treat or research to treat? What if you were that child?

It's a lot easier to simply say 'Get rid of the weak ones' when you aren't a or don't know a weak one. It's unnatural--but most things are nowadays. Mostly because we have humanity and we care about other human beings.

yeah just look at all the good mankind has done..

 

[Codrus]

this has gone from thoughts on suicide to something else...and im done with it

 

[Goat Whisperer]

yeah just look at all the good mankind has done..

Well we've cured, vaccinated, and treated a couple of things... small pox, polio, asthma, etc. But hell, I guess that doesn't count as any good, I mean we've probably only saved just a couple hundreds of millions of people.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

this has gone from thoughts on suicide to something else...and im done with it

You started it

 

[Codrus]

You started it

no..dana started it, i simply gave my opinion...and was subsequently finger wagged and verbally pounced upon untill i shared something i didn't want to and shut everyone down..then it progressed to something else

 

[Codrus]

Well we've cured, vaccinated, and treated a couple of things... small pox, polio, asthma, etc. But hell, I guess that doesn't count as any good, I mean we've probably only saved just a couple hundreds of millions of people.

this is a chicken or the egg discussion, and my stance is that if we hadn't caused 100% of what is wrong in the world we wouldn't have to fix it

 

[Goat Whisperer]

this is a chicken or the egg discussion, and my stance is that if we hadn't caused 100% of what is wrong in the world we wouldn't have to fix it

No one caused mental or physical disease though, they existed even back before agriculture existed, they just killed everyone back then.

 

[Codrus]

Well we've cured, vaccinated, and treated a couple of things... small pox, polio, asthma, etc. But hell, I guess that doesn't count as any good, I mean we've probably only saved just a couple hundreds of millions of people.

and check the numbers...we've killed more than we will ever save.

 

[Codrus]

No one caused mental or physical disease though, they existed even back before agriculture existed, they just killed everyone back then.

do you know this for a fact?

do you believe in god?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

do you know this for a fact?

do you believe in god?

I'm supposed to believe in Cod, so I guess I'll just agree with you :24: