Views on suicide?

[Codrus]

Um............. no comment... I'm continuing my moment of sanity.

i'de like to try sanity sometime, but i hear its over rated

 

[Guyzerr]

i'de like to try sanity sometime, but i hear its over rated

So far I like what I see. At least I haven't hurt anyone.......... yet.

 

[Asian Jul]

chemical imbalance?..can you tell me who exactly is chemically balanced, and who sets that standard?

kind of like saying "what about the people who aren't normal"...well, what the fuck is normal?, isnt that based upon a societal standard?...of what?...of who?..a perfect person?...a master race?...are we Nazis?


and its not an argument...its a discussion with varied opinions

Yeah, we're Nazis, that's what I was implying. Or I was saying chemical imbalances are thought to be causes of mental disorders such as schizophrenia.. you don't get over paranoid schizophrenia with will power.

 

[Alien Allen]

There IS such a thing as having a chemical imbalance. Anybody who thinks it is something that you can just snap your fingers and remedy is nuts.

 

[Alien Allen]

i cant really say what dana's "mentality" is...not sure if any of us can.

but ive been to the lowest spot in my life where i just wanted to cash it in, took my best friend giving me a swift kick in the ass to get over it, do i think life is all great and wonderful, am i a happy person...FUCK NO!..but am i going to sit and mope about it or drive people nuts with my disparity...FUCK NO!!...they don't want to hear it, no one does, everyone has there own life and problems

guyzer, your entitled to your opinion and i respect that and dana is as well..just like i am..and my opinion is if you want to kill yourself...do it and quit crying or get the fuck up and do something about it. there's a lot of people who have been through a lot worse and they keep going.

your perception is your reality and only you can change it...if you want to.

...oh, and ever since i learned how...i wipe my ass just fine, haven't shit on my own hand in almost 40 years...but they don't give gold stars for that either

You only thought you were at your lowest.

Did you walk around like a zombie with a hangover for over a week solid?

Did you have trouble sleeping for over a week solid?

Did you virtually starve yourself for over a week solid?

Were you consumed with killing yourself 24/7 for over a week solid?

If you answered yes to all the above you are lucky.

I never have been suicidal but I am familiar with depression. And I only have had a mild case compared to many

 

[Codrus]

Ignorance is bliss eh'?

...so your saying that all of us are ignorant?

If all it took was a kick in the ass from a friend then you were not very low. You may have been low to you but trust me when I tell you you were " just a bit down. "

i was far from "just down a bit", but think want you want...again that's your perception

The person Dana started this thread because of didn't mope. She ended her life. Because of that she saved everyone the anguish of all her pain.

and who am i supposed to feel bad for, her or the people she left behind?

Go and read every letter of every word in the Mayo Clinic link I gave and then come back and spout your heroics.

why?,..so i can read what they are going through..what good will that do?, i'm still going to say "get the fuck over it"...if that's a step to "recovery" for them..more power to them

Are you directing this at me or people in general. If it's to people in general I suggest you read my suggestion re: Mayo Clinic.

just a reply to your comment, take it as you will

I was going to say something real insulting but I'll save it for another day. I'm having a very brief moment of sanity.... lucky you.

insult all you want...words only hurt if you let them. as i said you have your opinion , i have mine...luck has nothing to do with it

 

[Suze]

Suicide seems like a pretty damn good idea at this moment in time..

 

[Codrus]

So far I like what I see. At least I haven't hurt anyone.......... yet.

maybe that's where im going wrong

 

[Codrus]

Yeah, we're Nazis, that's what I was implying. Or I was saying chemical imbalances are thought to be causes of mental disorders such as schizophrenia.. you don't get over paranoid schizophrenia with will power.

the human brain is by far more complex than we can understand at this point...so who knows

a long time ago, before psychiatrists and drugs and all the things we think we understand toda,y people who exhibited such signs were thought to be possessed or witch's...or other things..and sometimes burned at the stake, tortured etc..to cure them/cast out the demons.

is it more humane locking people up and pumping them with drugs, electro shock therapy or other such things that we do to "help" people or to let them take their own life?

 

[Goat Whisperer]

i cant really say what dana's "mentality" is...not sure if any of us can.

but ive been to the lowest spot in my life where i just wanted to cash it in, took my best friend giving me a swift kick in the ass to get over it, do i think life is all great and wonderful, am i a happy person...FUCK NO!..but am i going to sit and mope about it or drive people nuts with my disparity...FUCK NO!!...they don't want to hear it, no one does, everyone has there own life and problems

guyzer, your entitled to your opinion and i respect that and dana is as well..just like i am..and my opinion is if you want to kill yourself...do it and quit crying or get the fuck up and do something about it. there's a lot of people who have been through a lot worse and they keep going.

your perception is your reality and only you can change it...if you want to.

...oh, and ever since i learned how...i wipe my ass just fine, haven't shit on my own hand in almost 40 years...but they don't give gold stars for that either

Emotional pain caused by situational problems is entirely different then emotional pain caused by mental problems. That's what your not getting.

 

[Codrus]

There IS such a thing as having a chemical imbalance. Anybody who thinks it is something that you can just snap your fingers and remedy is nuts.

i never said you could...took me awhile, and i cant say as im done...its an effort that you have to put forth everyday

and maybe i am nuts, but that doesn't mean im going to kill myself

 

[Guyzerr]

is it more humane locking people up and pumping them with drugs, electro shock therapy or other such things that we do to "help" people or to let them take their own life?

Yes because most times some of those very things you mentioned work. Don't argue with me on this because I'll kick your ass in a verbal sort of way. I've seen them work.

 

[Guyzerr]

and maybe i am nuts, but that doesn't mean im going to kill myself

I'll finish the sentence for you..........

" at this time. Who knows, tomorrow is another day. "

 

[satinbutterfly]

You know it amazes me how people try and judge people in situations they've never been in themselves. I pity you and your shortsightedness.

 

[Jessica]

Suicide seems like a pretty damn good idea at this moment in time..

no Suze

 

[Goat Whisperer]

the human brain is by far more complex than we can understand at this point

So how can you possibly judge/critcize something you have no way of understanding?

 

[Codrus]

Emotional pain caused by situational problems is entirely different then emotional pain caused by mental problems. That's what your not getting.

your speaking as though you were there or knew the situation....you weren't and don't. and i get it just fine

what im saying is that with the help of a friend and a strong will and determination i make it day by day.

is it easy..no, but i do it

 

[Asian Jul]

the human brain is by far more complex than we can understand at this point...so who knows

a long time ago, before psychiatrists and drugs and all the things we think we understand toda,y people who exhibited such signs were thought to be possessed or witch's...or other things..and sometimes burned at the stake, tortured etc..to cure them/cast out the demons.

is it more humane locking people up and pumping them with drugs, electro shock therapy or other such things that we do to "help" people or to let them take their own life?

Violent, murderous schizophrenics get locked up after they've taken a life and yes, they're forced into treatment. I'm sorry, but I'm not seeing the problem with that.

 

[Asian Jul]

your speaking as though you were there or knew the situation....you weren't and don't. and i get it just fine

what im saying is that with the help of a friend and a strong will and determination i make it day by day.

is it easy..no, but i do it

So maybe your situation is a lot easier than what other people go through and you're not thinking irrationally like those who are worse off than you do.

 

[Goat Whisperer]

your speaking as though you were there or knew the situation....you weren't and don't. and i get it just fine

what im saying is that with the help of a friend and a strong will and determination i make it day by day.

is it easy..no, but i do it

And your situation is different then others. Just because you could get through it, doesn't mean others are capable. Just because you could get through it with just a few friends, it doesn't mean others don't need lots of help or on-going treatment.