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heck yeah... well- i didnt give birth to riley, of course.... but this shit hits me harder and harder every time something like this happens...
I was nice to everyone in the halls at school after Columbine. i was scared to death to leave my house for a week, when those snipers were loose in DC, i swore they were going to make their way to Jersey. Then 9-11, I cant even go there right now.. and I'm looking into where to go for Grad School, and Bam- VT massacre... i think i should get my degree online...
BreakfastSurreal
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OMG thank god..my friend is ok. Her best friend died though 
ugh
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It still comes down to the fact that a person has to pull the trigger. Anyone who is mad enough to kill that many people, is going to do it regardless. If there wasn't a gun, it woulda been a bomb. *shrugs*
Mind you, I personally don't like guns. But I don't see the point in blaming an inanimate object for the actions of others.
Peter Parka
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You're right, the guy was a lunatic but if it was a lot more difficult for him to be able to get hold of a gun he wouldn't have been able to do this. Yes he might have got hold of something else like a knife but it wouldn't have been that easy to kill 30 odd people with it.
In the USA, you're 30 times more likely to be killed by a gun than you are in the UK. That's by head of the population. UN stats. On Radio 5 this morning, an apologist for the gun lobby reckoned that it would be better if MORE people carried guns in the US.
He also argued that you can kill someone with a baseball bat, which we sell. Can you line 30 people up and kill them in turn with a baseball bat? Only very stupid people, I'd suggest.
After the Dunblane tradgedy over here we had a strict tightening down on the gun laws and it will have seemed to improved so far. Ok, there a lunatics around and whatever you do, things like this will happen from time to time but things need to be done so its not such a regular occurance.
Maybe its just the culture differences we have but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to own a gun if they don't intend to use it.
In the USA, you're 30 times more likely to be killed by a gun than you are in the UK. That's by head of the population. UN stats. On Radio 5 this morning, an apologist for the gun lobby reckoned that it would be better if MORE people carried guns in the US.
He also argued that you can kill someone with a baseball bat, which we sell. Can you line 30 people up and kill them in turn with a baseball bat? Only very stupid people, I'd suggest.
After the Dunblane tradgedy over here we had a strict tightening down on the gun laws and it will have seemed to improved so far. Ok, there a lunatics around and whatever you do, things like this will happen from time to time but things need to be done so its not such a regular occurance.
Maybe its just the culture differences we have but for the life of me I can't understand why anyone would want to own a gun if they don't intend to use it.
Peter Parka
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Once again razor blades primary use is shaving, guns ONLY use is killing, and once again could you line up 30 odd people with a razor blade and kill them all? I think not. If you actually give me one good reason why anyone living in towns would need a gun I may actually be able to agree with you in some small way.
Peter Parka
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So if you are in a shooting league, why can the guns and bullets not be kept securely at the gun club rather than being kept in peoples houses where a bulglar, house mate, friend or relative could get hold of them? This is how they tightened up the law after Dunblane over here. Remember too that the kids who carried out Columbine got hold of the guns from their uncle.
I understand certain people in the country having guns for hunting but a rifle is neccesary for that, semi automatics and hand guns are useless for hunting.
I understand certain people in the country having guns for hunting but a rifle is neccesary for that, semi automatics and hand guns are useless for hunting.
I think you are right Peter. Although I believe in owning guns, I think the laws and regulations are shitty in this country. The gun lobbies have shreaded any good legislation that comes before congress when it comes to gun laws. We need federal law requiring background checks for ALL gun purchases with a waiting period of at least a week. We need laws in place that hold all gun owners responsible for any deaths or crimes commited with their guns. Americans forget that owning a gun is a privelge and not a right just like driving. And if you are going to be a careless gun owner then you have to be held accountable for your actions. If you leave a loaded gun laying around and a child kills someone with it, then you should go to jail, no ands if or butts. If you don't lock up your guns and they are stolen and used in a crime, then you should also be held accountable.
Like I said, I think you should be able to own guns in America, you just have to take responsability as a gun owner.
Like I said, I think you should be able to own guns in America, you just have to take responsability as a gun owner.
I'd rather take my chances being shot then to have my government treat me like a criminal
and by the way... if you do have a loaded gun in a house with a child and it isnt locked up, you can go to jail for child endangerment.
and yes it is a right... It is in the constitution as "the RIGHT to bear arms"
peter peter peter.... sigh.... love ya man but you dont know what u are talkin about on this one.
and by the way... if you do have a loaded gun in a house with a child and it isnt locked up, you can go to jail for child endangerment.
and yes it is a right... It is in the constitution as "the RIGHT to bear arms"
peter peter peter.... sigh.... love ya man but you dont know what u are talkin about on this one.
Peter Parka
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Well I'd rather go to the minor inconvenience of not being able to own a gun than have 30 odd people massacred yet again!
Peter Parka
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Well I guess we're not going to agree on this at all, I'm just glad I live in a country, despite other problems where I can walk down the street without fear of being shot. I think I'll just leave it there now as this is going nowhere, we've both made our points and I don't want this to start getting heated as its something I feel very strongly about.
I have no fears of being shot whatsoever... but yes... this is just like religion, and abortion. 2 sides can never agree. I exercise my right to bear arms, while others can exercise their choice not to. doesnt bother me any, but when people think they can take my rights away because they dont like them, then I get plenty riled.
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1] The Second Amendment[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=+1] [/SIZE][/FONT]
[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The second amendment speaks directly to the states being able to have a well regulated militia to protect them from the federal government. The rights of the states to have armed militia is indeed protected in the 2nd amendment. If you put a period in that sentence after state, then you do have the right to keep and bear arms. But it wasn't written that way.
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]If the Second Amendment does create an individual right, how broad is the right? Does it include the right to possess arms that would be useful to a militia today--hand grenades, rocket launchers, etc.? Or does it create only a right to possess arms that would have been used by a militia in 1791--muskets?
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Which of the following regulations of firearms is constitutional?: (1) an age restriction, (2) a four-day waiting period for purchase of a firearm, (3) a ban on the carrying of concealed weapons. If the 2nd amendment read that we have the right to keep and bear arms as so many gun owners state, then there should be NO restrictions on owning a gun. Even a 5 year old could bring one to school with them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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[FONT=Arial,Helvetica]A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.
The second amendment speaks directly to the states being able to have a well regulated militia to protect them from the federal government. The rights of the states to have armed militia is indeed protected in the 2nd amendment. If you put a period in that sentence after state, then you do have the right to keep and bear arms. But it wasn't written that way.
[/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]If the Second Amendment does create an individual right, how broad is the right? Does it include the right to possess arms that would be useful to a militia today--hand grenades, rocket launchers, etc.? Or does it create only a right to possess arms that would have been used by a militia in 1791--muskets?
[/SIZE][/FONT][FONT=Arial,Helvetica][SIZE=-1]Which of the following regulations of firearms is constitutional?: (1) an age restriction, (2) a four-day waiting period for purchase of a firearm, (3) a ban on the carrying of concealed weapons. If the 2nd amendment read that we have the right to keep and bear arms as so many gun owners state, then there should be NO restrictions on owning a gun. Even a 5 year old could bring one to school with them.[/SIZE][/FONT]
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Peter Parka
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I guess thats something to be updated. It's like over here, there is an ancient law going back 700 odd years which requires all males over the age of 13 to take 1 hour of archery practice every Sunday. Officially the law still stands so apart from males over 13 in archery clubs all other males are breaking the law every week! There's also another law over here which has been neglected but is still official that in a certain Churchyard it's ok to shoot a Welshman at a certain amount of yards. I guess we both still have certain outdated, pretty fucked up laws!:eek
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