Unions- Savior or In League with the Devil?

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Minor Axis

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It is not possible for a company to treat its employees fairly because it is not human. When a company grows beyond its owner then the relationship has to change. An owner, an employer, is expected to treat his employees fairly because its the right thing to do, and because it's just good business.

As a company grows, duties and responsibilities are dispersed among more people, and accountability is diluted. At some point it reaches critical mass, in which employees cease to be individual people and become simply resources. It's at that point that employee/employer relationships have to change.

There are still people in that company making those decisions like shutting down a factory putting hundreds out of work and moving the factory to a third world country where salary is paid in pennies per hour. No problem, great pro-business, anti-employee decision.

I admit the problem with companies is that once one company resorts to this tactic, all the others feel the pressure to follow suit to "remain competitive". This is where you need government looking out for it's citizens. Corporations are not going to do it.
 
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There are still people in that company making those decisions like shutting down a factory putting hundreds out of work and moving the factory to a third world country where salary is paid in pennies per hour. No problem, great pro-business, anti-employee decision.
... because they are physically separated from the factory workers and legally separated from the responsibility of telling the employees that their jobs are going away.

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I admit the problem with companies is that once one company resorts to this tactic, all the others feel the pressure to follow suit to "remain competitive". This is where you need government looking out for it's citizens. Corporations are not going to do it.
NOOOOOOO!!!!! That's where you need employees forming unions and looking out for themselves. Government just fucks things up and tries to make one size fit all. When there are laws barring the way you just hire lawyers to find a way around them. When there are people barring the way you have to truly justify your actions - be accountable.
 

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NOOOOOOO!!!!! That's where you need employees forming unions and looking out for themselves.

:eek:Your mess'n with me MAN! ;) All these entities are made up of people. Let's turn the functioning over to sentient computers, that will help, until they decide to get rid of us... :)
 

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I wasn't kidding in any way. The larger the organization - corporation, union, government, or 4H club - the easier it is to forget you're dealing with real human beings.
 

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I can't stand unions (read: thugs). All they do is restrict competition. Of course, governments do the same thing for large firms. In fact, large firms, unions and the government are all in bed together.

Kill 'em all and let God sort 'em out.
 
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