Trayvon Martin- Tragedy

[retro]

Uh, he certainly did under the law and *if* he even thought he was going for the gun.

Ability != obligation

 

[retro]

All of this being said... we wouldn't be having this discussion if Zimmerman had done what he was told to do by the 911 dispatcher, which was to stop following him. That alone is what caused the altercation to take place... why is it that you've refused to address this, despite my bringing it up multiple times.

 

[All Else Failed]

That alone is what caused the altercation to take place... why is it that you've refused to address this, despite my bringing it up multiple times.

we actually do not know if zimmerman still continued to pursue trayvon after that call. Zimmerman has stated that he was actually on his way back to the vehicle when trayvon came back up to HIM

 

[retro]

we actually do not know if zimmerman still continued to pursue trayvon after that call. Zimmerman has stated that he was actually on his way back to the vehicle when trayvon came back up to HIM

If that's the case, he still wouldn't have come back if he hadn't followed him to begin with. He was told to stop following him far before that happened.

 

[Tangerine]

HAHA. Heck. For the longest time people thought he wasn't even arrested though. But he was. Just like standard procedure. Like I said from the get go. THe cops are not a bunch of country bumkin racists that patted little Zippy on the butt and told him to go his merry way.

He was never arrested. He was brought in for questioning.

 

[The Man]

He was never arrested. He was brought in for questioning.

I am still kinda in the air on this one..he was in handcuffs
Granted maybe never formally charged..but took in "against" his will and questioned

 

[TenaciousDave]

Regarding the hoodie...I know hoodies have a connotation of guilt for some reason, but wouldn't the simple fact that the kid didn't want to get wet justify his wardrobe...wasn't it stated it was raining? Why wouldn't he have his hood up?

I wore a hoodie this afternoon when I was mowing the lawn. I guess I'm lucky that the neighbors didn't shoot me.

 

[Joe the meek]

HAHA. I watched on CNN while they hyper-analyzed the footage too. We just do not know. And that is the thing, we still have very few factual details.

A good news story sells. The media will milk this for all it's worth, EITHER way.

The fact is if anyone here thinks that both the Feds and State are going to leave any stone unturned going over each stone with a microscope, they have their heads up their butt. However, are we any better than the media?

Then we have SFB even bringing South Africa into the conversation as an example of black on white violence. I am beginning to have no doubt now on that one.

 

[Joe the meek]

I wore a hoodie this afternoon when I was mowing the lawn. I guess I'm lucky that the neighbors didn't shoot me.

The fact of wearing particular clothing alone wouldn't make one suspicious IMO (although a "hoodie" can be generally used to hide ones face), but what you are doing, weather and location could determine how you're perceived by others, particularly if they're not your friends.

I could be wrong, and perhaps Jay can correct me on this, but I believe Sanford Florida has an extremely high crime rate.

Given the set of circumstances and location, it seems that it was kind of the "perfect storm" for something like this to happen. I have no doubt that if Mr. Zimmerman stayed in his car, most likely nothing would of happened that day. However, I also think that if Mr. Martin would of just told Mr. Zimmerman that he was staying just 65 yards away at a family (future step mother I believe) members residence, none of this tragedy would of happened as well. Other than that, I'll just have to wait to see what the authorities come up with and what they have to say on this matter.

 

[Joe the meek]

One dumb ass person, can't help but wonder how many more of them there are?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline...george-zimmerman-address-tweet-015514123.html

 

[Tangerine]

I am still kinda in the air on this one..he was in handcuffs
Granted maybe never formally charged..but took in "against" his will and questioned

There's nothing to be in the air about. There's a very clear and distinct legal difference.

If you are arrested, you are informed what you are being charged with, you are told you are being "placed under arrest," and you are read your Miranda rights. For you to be arrested, a determination has been made that you have committed a crime and the process has formally begun to prosecute you for it.

There are many other circumstances where police are allowed and/or required to hold someone in custody, but they are not arrested.

 

[Panacea]

I think all anyone here is saying is that the lack of any physical signs of a serious altercation does not corroborate the idea that Zimmerman and Martin got into this horrible struggle which ended in this kid being shot in self-defense. If Zimmerman, being bigger in every way than Martin, was being beaten so badly that he felt he needed to cry out for help, then there SHOULD be some physical sign of a struggle on his body, of which there is none.

I do not have an opinion one way or the other in the whole situation as it's become a ridiculous mess of a case and having not been there I do not know exactly what happened. It just doesn't seem as though this video falls in line with the story that's being told (whether it's Zimmerman's word-for-word account or a media fabrication, I do not know and cannot say.) So perhaps you should calm down a little and look at it in that objective manner instead of getting your panties in a wad because someone else's personal experience with a fight does not line up with your childhood in a shitty neighborhood or whatever. You're not the only one who grew up in a shady part of town, my friend.

:shesaid


And it's clearly human nature to fill in blanks- it's how we survive in a world with so much stimuli. Now that also means we're often wrong.

We don't know much, and though I have my biases about things I've accepted this fact all along. This video, Zimmerman's character witness backpedaling like a dyslexic in the Tour de France- ALL bad for credibility. The media/public circus on the Martin side? Horrible for credibility of course.

Jay saying there's no need for race to be involved in the discussion- also something we don't know. It's as wrong to assume Zimmerman's a racist as it is to assume it had zero influence on the event.

 

[Panacea]

One dumb ass person, can't help but wonder how many more of them there are?

http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/cutline...george-zimmerman-address-tweet-015514123.html

Oh how kind of him to apologize. That stunt earned him his Sarah Palin Crosshairs Club membership.

 

[darkcgi]

the dude is ignorant

 

[The Man]

There's nothing to be in the air about. There's a very clear and distinct legal difference.

If you are arrested, you are informed what you are being charged with, you are told you are being "placed under arrest," and you are read your Miranda rights. For you to be arrested, a determination has been made that you have committed a crime and the process has formally begun to prosecute you for it.

There are many other circumstances where police are allowed and/or required to hold someone in custody, but they are not arrested.

Doesnt explain the handcuffs if he wasnt arrested

 

[The Man]

I found this document {copy of police report} that states there was an injury to the head and nose..as well as being treated prior to being hauled in


http://www.scribd.com/doc/86948628/Trayvon-Martin-Police-Report

 

[All Else Failed]

Doesnt explain the handcuffs if he wasnt arrested

You don't have to be arrested to have cuffs on. You can be detained. Different things.

 

[The Man]

You don't have to be arrested to have cuffs on. You can be detained. Different things.

Well for sake of simplicity...handcuffed and questioned for 5 hours then released equals arrest but not charged LOL

Did you read the link I posted..Documentation shows he was treated at the scene

 

[The Man]

This could be a wound ...not saying it is..but worth looking at

 

[All Else Failed]

Surely that must be a birthmark!