Trayvon Martin- Tragedy

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The only thing that matters is what the paramedics say. He could have had some blood and swelling at the scene but got cleaned up (which is STANDARD PROCEDURE) and given something to help the swelling.


You can keep your armchair medical examinations to yourself.

Cleaned up or not, it would still be visible with that very short haircut... wounds don't just go away. Swelling doesn't go away within an hour or so... not with the type of beating that he described. That's simple medical science... something that you've apparently chosen to ignore... which seems to be par for the course with you anyway, so I'm not surprised.

 

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I watched the video...I did not see anything that showed he was beat up..The video was a little shitty..but I would expect to see at least something,...I am not confirming that he was/wasnt beat beat up.
But with this video...The guy didnt take much of an ass kicking if he took one

Things are more fucked up as ever now....why would the Police lie/say he was beat up..then want to arrest him? Then the state attorney tells em not to?
If they {cops} were falsely siding with Zimmerman..then why are they wanting to arrest him?
Or is that a lie and they dont want to arrest him?

Te be honest the video did nothing for me to confirm Zimmerman "innocence" here

We need a mugshot photo IMO

I don't believe that there was a mugshot, because he wasn't booked for the incident... just held for questioning.

 

[All Else Failed]

Cleaned up or not, it would still be visible with that very short haircut... wounds don't just go away. Swelling doesn't go away within an hour or so... not with the type of beating that he described. That's simple medical science... something that you've apparently chosen to ignore... which seems to be par for the course with you anyway, so I'm not surprised.

so the medics are lying


great


you're paranoid

 

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so the medics are lying


great


you're paranoid

AEF 101... if you can't refute what's being said, attack the person that said it. How about you actually answer my question instead of throwing out a non sequitur.

 

[The Man]

I don't believe that there was a mugshot, because he wasn't booked for the incident... just held for questioning.

Ok

I was hoping that the picture of him that is floating around was from that night is a mugshot {as it was the same color coat} and a rather small head shot much like a mugshot....short hair etc.

Here they take your picture right off the bat ..but have 20 hours to charge you for a crime{of which you might be set free}

 

[All Else Failed]

sorry bro but if you're going to basically say the paramedics are fabricating a story you're not in this convo for truth you're in it to win an argument in a strange way

 

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sorry bro but if you're going to basically say the paramedics are fabricating a story you're not in this convo for truth you're in it to win an argument in a strange way

Answer the question. It's really not that difficult. I haven't said that the paramedics lied... but as near as I can tell, all that they did is "treat" him. It doesn't say how they treated him... it's standard to examine someone in a situation like that to see if there are any injuries that need to be taken care of. They could have "treated" him by giving him something to calm him down if he needed one... since I imagine that being attacked and then shooting someone would be a traumatic event for most people. It doesn't say that he was treated for injuries either, just that he was "treated".

 

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Ok

I was hoping that the picture of him that is floating around was from that night is a mugshot {as it was the same color coat} and a rather small head shot much like a mugshot....short hair etc.

Here they take your picture right off the bat ..but have 20 hours to charge you for a crime{of which you might be set free}

The mugshot that's being shown is from a prior offense I believe... his hair is much shorter in the video than it is in that mugshot. I could be wrong, but that's how it looks to me... he also looks to be heavier in it.

 

[All Else Failed]

Dude, they said he was INJURED and they had to treat his injuries

 

[Jaybird]

I watched the video...I did not see anything that showed he was beat up..The video was a little shitty..but I would expect to see at least something,...I am not confirming that he was/wasnt beat beat up.
But with this video...The guy didnt take much of an ass kicking if he took one

Things are more fucked up as ever now....why would the Police lie/say he was beat up..then want to arrest him? Then the state attorney tells em not to?
If they {cops} were falsely siding with Zimmerman..then why are they wanting to arrest him?
Or is that a lie and they dont want to arrest him?

Te be honest the video did nothing for me to confirm Zimmerman "innocence" here

We need a mugshot photo IMO

HAHA. I watched on CNN while they hyper-analyzed the footage too. We just do not know. And that is the thing, we still have very few factual details.

Heck. For the longest time people thought he wasn't even arrested though. But he was. Just like standard procedure. Like I said from the get go. THe cops are not a bunch of country bumkin racists that patted little Zippy on the butt and told him to go his merry way.

Bottom line, this case should have never been tried in the court of public opinion hyper-analyzing every little detail. The police and the DA do know how to do their jobs. Even in wonky ole Floriduh.

And he is 'innocent' right now. Why? Because he has not even been charged with a crime. Let alone convicted of anything. I know I would want to be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, and I am sure anyone here would want that as well.

 

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Additionally... it can very easily be argued that Zimmerman himself is the one that instigated the confrontation in question here. He was told by the 911 dispatcher not to follow Martin, yet he did anyway. If he hadn't have done so, we wouldn't be having this conversation at all.

 

[anathelia]

sorry bro but if you're going to basically say the paramedics are fabricating a story you're not in this convo for truth you're in it to win an argument in a strange way

I think all anyone here is saying is that the lack of any physical signs of a serious altercation does not corroborate the idea that Zimmerman and Martin got into this horrible struggle which ended in this kid being shot in self-defense. If Zimmerman, being bigger in every way than Martin, was being beaten so badly that he felt he needed to cry out for help, then there SHOULD be some physical sign of a struggle on his body, of which there is none.

I do not have an opinion one way or the other in the whole situation as it's become a ridiculous mess of a case and having not been there I do not know exactly what happened. It just doesn't seem as though this video falls in line with the story that's being told (whether it's Zimmerman's word-for-word account or a media fabrication, I do not know and cannot say.) So perhaps you should calm down a little and look at it in that objective manner instead of getting your panties in a wad because someone else's personal experience with a fight does not line up with your childhood in a shitty neighborhood or whatever. You're not the only one who grew up in a shady part of town, my friend.

 

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Dude, they said he was INJURED and they had to treat his injuries

The police report states that he was "cleared" by SFD, nothing about being treated.

 

[All Else Failed]

I think all anyone here is saying is that the lack of any physical signs of a serious altercation does not corroborate the idea that Zimmerman and Martin got into this horrible struggle which ended in this kid being shot in self-defense. If Zimmerman, being bigger in every way than Martin, was being beaten so badly that he felt he needed to cry out for help, then there SHOULD be some physical sign of a struggle on his body, of which there is none.

I do not have an opinion one way or the other in the whole situation as it's become a ridiculous mess of a case and having not been there I do not know exactly what happened. It just doesn't seem as though this video falls in line with the story that's being told (whether it's Zimmerman's word-for-word account or a media fabrication, I do not know and cannot say.) So perhaps you should calm down a little and look at it in that objective manner instead of getting your panties in a wad because someone else's personal experience with a fight does not line up with your childhood in a shitty neighborhood or whatever. You're not the only one who grew up in a shady part of town, my friend.

you don't need to be in some horrible struggle to think your bodily well being is in danger. In fact, that is all it takes to enact the stand your ground law.


however, we have several witnesses that said they heard Zimmerman calling for help, we have several that saw trayvon ON TOP OF Zimmerman, and the wound was from extremely short range, which shows signs of close quarters fighting. What if Trayvon was going for his gun? That is actually grounds for shooting someone in florida

 

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That is actually grounds for shooting someone in florida

The governor that signed the legislation into law disagrees with you.

 

[All Else Failed]

so basically, what I have been saying ALL ALONG:


lets wait for more evidence to come out before we serve him his last meal

 

[All Else Failed]

A stand-your-ground law states that a person may use deadly force in self-defense when there is reasonable belief of a threat, without an obligation to retreat first

Zimmerman had no obligation to flee if he was in a struggle and if Trayvon went for his gun

 

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Zimmerman had no obligation to flee if he was in a struggle and if Trayvon went for his gun

Your point? He had no obligation to shoot the kid either. You're assuming that he went for the gun, which is something that isn't in evidence. We don't know whether or not he realized that Zimmerman even had a gun... if it was properly concealed, he more than likely wouldn't not have seen it, especially in the type of struggle that was described.

For the record, I'm not declaring Zimmerman's guilt here... I'm merely pointing what appear to be very serious inconsistencies with his story.

 

[The Man]

HAHA. I watched on CNN while they hyper-analyzed the footage too. We just do not know. And that is the thing, we still have very few factual details.

Heck. For the longest time people thought he wasn't even arrested though. But he was. Just like standard procedure. Like I said from the get go. THe cops are not a bunch of country bumkin racists that patted little Zippy on the butt and told him to go his merry way.

Bottom line, this case should have never been tried in the court of public opinion hyper-analyzing every little detail. The police and the DA do know how to do their jobs. Even in wonky ole Floriduh.

And he is 'innocent' right now. Why? Because he has not even been charged with a crime. Let alone convicted of anything. I know I would want to be presumed to be innocent until proven guilty, and I am sure anyone here would want that as well.

I agree...but if the guy did take an ass whipping it was not to the extent of which we believed
So now we have the media twisting in favor of Trayvon....and other media twisting in favor of Zimmerman.

The witness stating Trayvon was beating Zimmerman still has weight with me....This may be the sole factor for the decision the authorities made at the time.

I cant help but think that if someone is outside screaming more people didn't see it...I believe the screaming..I just find it odd there are not more witnesses that looked out the window.

 

[All Else Failed]

Your point? He had no obligation to shoot the kid either. You're assuming that he went for the gun, which is something that isn't in evidence. We don't know whether or not he realized that Zimmerman even had a gun... if it was properly concealed, he more than likely wouldn't not have seen it, especially in the type of struggle that was described.

Uh, he certainly did under the law and *if* he even thought he was going for the gun.