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Calm down. First, it's not because Rand said so, it's because it's the logical thing to do. Second, you're free to make your own choices, I'm not forcing you to do anything, I was just saying. Third, I'm sorry if you feel that way about me. I didn't mean to get on your bad side.
Listen 1 second..your saying we all have an opinion yes?..then why are you trying to enforce yours on us?...i dont believe it is the TRUTH..i think its a crock of shit in all honesty..but im not pushing that on you...im not saying hey" you will believe in crocks of shit because wednesday said so"...
 
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Yet they sacrifice themselves for other's freedoms. I dare you to go to a vet and tell them to their face they didn't make a sacrifice.

Vets often do. The only wars in American History that I think were justified were the Revolution, Civil War (on the north's part), WWII, and The War on Terror. So the veterans from all the other wars did make sacrifices they should not have been asked to make.
 

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right...my input

as this site is free it means that the owners.....veronica and tim mainly........run it has they please.......they appoint the mods to keep it running properly and deal with problems if they arise

if anyone causes constant problems they have the power to ban or temp ban as they see fit

everything they do is for the good of the site because it belongs to them,they pay the bills

if you had to pay membership technically every thing changes.........it'd become like the private members club i drink in

tim and veronica would would still have the most control as its theirs.......but....every paying member would have a minor stake in the site.......so as a consequence the rules would only be enforced by majority rule...e.g....the unruly ones would be tried in front of a commitee(the mods)......but dont forget......as we'd all have a stake in the site we all get to vote the mods into office...which would be a problem in itself

and dont forget........membership would probably drop considerably if people had to pay...which i'm sure no-one wants

things aren't always better if its pay as you go
 

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Listen 1 second..your saying we all have an opinion yes?..then why are you trying to enforce yours on us?...i dont believe it is the TRUTH..i think its a crock of shit in all honesty..but im not pushing that on you...im not saying hey" you will believe in crocks of shit because wednesday said so"...

I'm not FORCING it on you, I'm just showing you the truth. And just because you don't believe it's the truth doesn't mean it is. And I'm not saying "you will believe it because Rand said so", I'm saying "You should believe it because it's logical. If you want a more articulate explanation, read Rand."
 

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I'm not FORCING it on you, I'm just showing you the truth. And just because you don't believe it's the truth doesn't mean it is. And I'm not saying "you will believe it because Rand said so", I'm saying "You should believe it because it's logical. If you want a more articulate explanation, read Rand."
Actually...it is not logical at all, but..i will not argue my case here, but ask you simply to step down of your lil pedastal, you are not RIGHT..you are FORCING...because nobody wants to bloody know..
And im sure the fact that you keep quoting this bloody woman should come under a form of spam?...
 

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I'm not FORCING it on you, I'm just showing you the truth. And just because you don't believe it's the truth doesn't mean it is. And I'm not saying "you will believe it because Rand said so", I'm saying "You should believe it because it's logical. If you want a more articulate explanation, read Rand."
There is no logic in being a greedy self centered person. Maybe you should try the opposite. Stop letting rand tell you what is the truth and go learn for yourself. You should never follow somebody's "logic" or philosophy blindly like you are doing, go out and learn for yourself.
 

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There is no logic in being a greedy self centered person. Maybe you should try the opposite. Stop letting rand tell you what is the truth and go learn for yourself. You should never follow somebody's "logic" or philosophy blindly like you are doing, go out and learn for yourself.

I am not following it blindly. To quote myself, she opened a door, I saw that what she believed was true (arrived at that myself), and walked through the door.
 

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I am not following it blindly. To quote myself, she opened a door, I saw that what she believed was true (arrived at that myself), and walked through the door.
The fact you have no real world experience but continually refer to rand to explain why you believe what you do shows that you do follow that person blindly.
 

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If it was a sacrifice, I couldn't morally stay here, as I'm morally opposed to sacrifices.

This post is quite naive...

I can see you blowing your brains out when you finally get married and have to sacrifice your poker night to see a chick flick with your wife.

Or your house gets foreclosed upon because you're behind on your mortgage yet you just cannot sacrifice your netflix, tv and internet services to save the greater good.


Actually, now your post just shows your age and lack of life experience.
 

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Actually...it is not logical at all, but..i will not argue my case here, but ask you simply to step down of your lil pedastal, you are not RIGHT..you are FORCING...because nobody wants to bloody know..
And im sure the fact that you keep quoting this bloody woman should come under a form of spam?...

Saying that I'm forcing it on people is like saying Harry Potter is being forced on people because there are so many copies of his books on the shelves




The rationality of selfishness (gLing, this is for you too):

Man's nature - all men - is that of a rational being, whose mind works individually, in conjunction with reason and logic. But the key here is that his mind works individually. It is not the property of others, nor can others force him to think like them. He must come to his conclusions individually. The creations of this mind are also individually owned - they are the property of his individual mind, which created them. They belong to no other, and no other's need is a right to them.
But in order for this all to happen - for a man to use his individual mind to see and understand the world around him, to create, to build, to prosper - he must be concerned with his own self interest. The mind is a part of the self, and in order to use your individual mind, you must have an individual self. Being primarily concerned with others is to place their minds above yours - and to sacrifice that individual thought process that makes you human.
So, to be selfish is to be concerned with your own self interest. This puts your self and thus, your mind, as the most important things in your life. When they are the most important things in your life, you will be able to succeed and prosper and create and be happy, and no one can take that away from you - because it belongs to your self.
As a secondary consequence, you will also be the prime mover of humanity when you are selfish person. It is the selfish person who creates the bold, brilliant things that mark each new epoch in human history. You must be selfish to create a brand new work of art or design a great new building. You can't be concerned with what others think - because then humanity never moves forward. The progress of civilization depends on the man who creates - and to create, you must use your individual mind - and to use your individual mind, you must be proud of your self. You must be selfish.
 

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couldnt you have made a statement all by urself? and not quote?......i think as james said, it proves your age...and ur lack of experience.
 

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Vets often do. The only wars in American History that I think were justified were the Revolution, Civil War (on the north's part), WWII, and The War on Terror. So the veterans from all the other wars did make sacrifices they should not have been asked to make.

Oh and I recall Nam and the Korean war not being a voluntary war. I believe there was something called the 'draft'.

I dare you to get in the face of a nam veteran with this BS. He'll make you look like a teenybopping peckerwood with both a lack of understanding what goes on outside your window, as I said before, no real world experience.
 

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I can see you blowing your brains out when you finally get married and have to sacrifice your poker night to see a chick flick with your wife.

Her hapiness and company, even if it is at a movie I don't want to watch, is worth more then what playing poker.
Or your house gets foreclosed upon because you're behind on your mortgage yet you just cannot sacrifice your netflix, tv and internet services to save the greater good.

Having a house is more important to me then netflix tv and internet.
 

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But you're still sacrificing entertainment in any shape or form. You can blindly look at it however you want, but the only word to describe both situations is, in fact, Sacrifice.
 

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its going to be a long hard life for this young man if he doesn't make some serious cash early on......that first earned 20 will be in that frame on the wall and that gas bill will be in your hand........what do you chose to do
 
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