This is Why the Occupy Wall Street Movement Keeps Growing

[Tim]

So do I understand your opinion correctly that the natural human tendency is to segregate, given a choice?

There is absolutely a natural tendency to associate with that which you are familiar. Take large cites as an example. Here in NYC you will find entire sections of the city dedicated to different ethnic groups.

 

[mazHur]

People segregate for reasons of security, unity and unification against the majority or other competitive racial groups. Other purposes could be--business, religion, customs, food, style of living, language, worship places, habits, culture, etc.

Long ago ,I remember going to a place in NYC where I went to buy cheaper suit cases etc was replete with Jewish community. At another place, Jackson Heights, I found almost all Sikhs running shops and selling at very cheap prices. Similarly there are China Towns and other settlements.....Even in Missisuaga Canada one can find huge concentrations of Indo-Pakistani's..
Normally these ''segregated groups'' would economically mix up with the majority people, particularly due to food, culture, language, custom and religious reasons.

 

[Accountable]

There is absolutely a natural tendency to associate with that which you are familiar. Take large cites as an example. Here in NYC you will find entire sections of the city dedicated to different ethnic groups.

Association is inclusive. Segregation is exclusive. Do you think they go hand in hand?

 

[Alien Allen]

Association is inclusive. Segregation is exclusive. Do you think they go hand in hand?

Segregation can be by choice or force/cause

Association is a form of segregation

 

[Tim]

Association is inclusive. Segregation is exclusive. Do you think they go hand in hand?

Inclusive? Really?

You do realize that there are still many places in the US that are very racist, right? What do you think will happen if the federal government declares that anyone with a public venue such as restaurants can now exclude anyone for any reason, including someone who is black?
You will find groups of people in small towns finding themselves without any services. They would need to pull up and move to a "colored" friendly town just to live.

 

[Accountable]

There is absolutely a natural tendency to associate with that which you are familiar. Take large cites as an example. Here in NYC you will find entire sections of the city dedicated to different ethnic groups.

Association is inclusive. Segregation is exclusive. Do you think they go hand in hand?

Inclusive? Really?

:confused Of course. When you choose to associate with someone you are either including that person in with you or trying to be included.

You do realize that there are still many places in the US that are very racist, right? What do you think will happen if the federal government declares that anyone with a public venue such as restaurants can now exclude anyone for any reason, including someone who is black?
You will find groups of people in small towns finding themselves without any services. They would need to pull up and move to a "colored" friendly town just to live.

Feel better? I don't know if you went off on this tangent accidentally or if you are purposely avoiding the question, but I feel it is an important one so I will ask again.

Association is inclusive. Segregation is exclusive. Do you think they go hand in hand?

 

[Alien Allen]

Inclusive? Really?

You do realize that there are still many places in the US that are very racist, right? What do you think will happen if the federal government declares that anyone with a public venue such as restaurants can now exclude anyone for any reason, including someone who is black?
You will find groups of people in small towns finding themselves without any services. They would need to pull up and move to a "colored" friendly town just to live.

This reminds me of some negotiations with the local health department several years ago. They said we had to have certain regulations and if they did not work as intended they could always be rescinded.

No friggin way do most laws/regulations get rescinded.

You are IMO grossly misguided if you think things would revert to going to the back of the bus so to speak.

Never gonna happen

 

[Tim]

:confused Of course. When you choose to associate with someone you are either including that person in with you or trying to be included.

Feel better? I don't know if you went off on this tangent accidentally or if you are purposely avoiding the question, but I feel it is an important one so I will ask again.

Association is inclusive. Segregation is exclusive. Do you think they go hand in hand?

Instead of trying to go around the horn with this, state your point or move on.

I have very clearly stated my point and we have yet to hear yours.

 

[Tim]

You are IMO grossly misguided if you think things would revert to going to the back of the bus so to speak.

Never gonna happen

Absolutely would in certain areas of the US.

I live in Klan country. Trust me I know what I am talking about. And think about this, I only live 90 minutes from Philly and 90 minutes from NYC. Just think what it would be like in small towns in the south. I have been there and it's as close to segregated as possible in some areas.
There are small redneck towns where there is only a small percentage of blacks. If allowed, they would absolutely close their restaurants to the local blacks. Along with every other privately owned business.

I don't see this being a problem in larger towns and cities, so maybe you just don't see it. I have... first hand.

Hell, I COULD NOT put up an Obama sign in my front lawn last election. My house would not be standing today.

 

[Accountable]

Instead of trying to go around the horn with this, state your point or move on.

I have very clearly stated my point and we have yet to hear yours.

Actually, no you haven't. I'm not trying to trap you, though that's what I would think if I were in your position. You seem to think that humanity generally acts as you would not. I'm just trying to nail that down.

 

[Accountable]

Absolutely would in certain areas of the US.

I live in Klan country. Trust me I know what I am talking about. And think about this, I only live 90 minutes from Philly and 90 minutes from NYC. Just think what it would be like in small towns in the south. I have been there and it's as close to segregated as possible in some areas.
There are small redneck towns where there is only a small percentage of blacks. If allowed, they would absolutely close their restaurants to the local blacks. Along with every other privately owned business.

I don't see this being a problem in larger towns and cities, so maybe you just don't see it. I have... first hand.

Hell, I COULD NOT put up an Obama sign in my front lawn last election. My house would not be standing today.

Why do you choose to live in such a dangerous place?

 

[Alien Allen]

Tim I would buy your point of view 30 years ago

Today with 24/7 news and lawyers being able to advertise I don't see it happening

You can not turn back the clock as you are suggesting

 

[Tim]

Why do you choose to live in such a dangerous place?

Had no clue when I bought the house. Plus the fact that I'm out in the middle of the woods with no real neighbors, so I don't associate with anyone here.

So because the Klan is active in my neck of the woods it's a dangerous place? Hell, the crime rate in my area is extremely low because the people are spread out and not right on top of each other.

My house is very well defended/protected.

 

[Accountable]

Sounds like putting up any political sign at all would have been kind of a waste. Not the point, I know, but still.

 

[JuggsBunny]

People tend to gravitate towards what they know and feel comfortable with. It's not necessarily a racist thing.

 

[Tim]

Sounds like putting up any political sign at all would have been kind of a waste. Not the point, I know, but still.

lol, why would you say that? Only a small minority of people would associate with racists let alone the klan. Just because they are in the area does not make the area racist.

You really don't understand racism in this country, do you? What type of area do you live in, demographically speaking? Do you get to see or experience racism?

 

[Accountable]

lol, why would you say that? Only a small minority of people would associate with racists let alone the klan. Just because they are in the area does not make the area racist.

You really don't understand racism in this country, do you? What type of area do you live in, demographically speaking? Do you get to see or experience racism?

You misunderstand. I spent my childhood in the country. Rural Louisiana. My comment wasn't about race. It was about displaying a sign on a country road where not many people are even gonna see it.

 

[The Man]

Only time can cure the existing hates that races have towards each other...the more we mention it the more we rub salt in the wounds thus always keeping the irritation....In other words simple discussion only strengthens the separation that exists.

In general I dont see a problem existing at a large level..although I am sure that there are neighborhoods that have issues.
A certain level of hate will still exist even if race hate was stamped out...Some people are just happy with hate.