Minor Axis
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I'm all for freedom, but I'll add that when people group together in society, they volunteer to give up some of their individual freedoms. The question is how much?
This is Why the Occupy Wall Street Movement Keeps Growing
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I'm all for freedom, but I'll add that when people group together in society, they volunteer to give up some of their individual freedoms. The question is how much?
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This is an empty statement without context. Can you put it in some kind of context, please?I'm all for freedom, but I'll add that when people group together in society, they volunteer to give up some of their individual freedoms. The question is how much?
Minor Axis
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It's a truth without specific details. We have all ready discussed out differences in depth regarding individual freedom.
This is an example of why the OWS movement keeps growing. Bank Of America Dumps $75 Trillion In Derivatives On U.S. Taxpayers With Federal Approval. http://seekingalpha.com/article/301...atives-on-u-s-taxpayers-with-federal-approval I'm fairly sure this info was presented here at OTz a month ago but I don't think it spurred any discussion. Ya'll do realize that this is nearly as much as the official debt, plus SS, medicare and all other future obligations, don't you?
End of An American Dream
By Richard William Posner
25 November, 2011
Countercurrents.org
I was born in America in nineteen forty-seven.
I was raised in a blue-collar family, neighborhood and town. It was a time when workers were at least given token respect and appreciation by those who lived off their labor. A man with a decent job was able to provide a good home and life for his family. The moneyed capitalist elite had not yet redrawn the class barriers of feudal England, but they were working on it.
Those days are gone.
I grew up in a time of transition. I found myself among the first of the “latch key kids”. It became necessary for my mother to join my father at work. Costs had begun to rise while earnings began to stagnate. I spent my life at labor, working long hours and earning less instead of more with each passing year. I have been a “common labourer” all my life. I'll be proud of that fact to my dying day.
I have seen America transformed from what seemed a shining beacon of hope and freedom to a dark and vicious aggressor nation, ruled by an utterly ruthless capitalist regime seeking absolute global hegemony. Appearances can be deceiving. America was a beautiful, shiny apple that was rotten at the core.
Now I live in amerika. The shine is gone and darkness prevails. At the beginning of a new millennium, we have regressed to a society of medieval mores and a rigid class system. We are entering a new Dark Age, which promises to rival the old in suffering, depravity and oppression.
We have technology at our disposal that could help create a world civilization of peace, equality and prosperity while preserving a beautiful, natural, ecologically sound planet. We choose instead to use that power to rape, pillage and destroy all that we see. We have chosen war rather than peace, fear rather than joy, greed rather than generosity and death over life.
As I enter “the autumn of my madness”, I am overcome with sorrow. Every time I look at my grandson or hear his innocent laughter, tears fill my eyes. My heart is crushed at the thought of the future I am leaving him.
I am witnessing the end of an epoch.
The dream I had, of peace in my lifetime, has been replaced by despair for the future.
By Richard William Posner
25 November, 2011
Countercurrents.org
I was born in America in nineteen forty-seven.
I was raised in a blue-collar family, neighborhood and town. It was a time when workers were at least given token respect and appreciation by those who lived off their labor. A man with a decent job was able to provide a good home and life for his family. The moneyed capitalist elite had not yet redrawn the class barriers of feudal England, but they were working on it.
Those days are gone.
I grew up in a time of transition. I found myself among the first of the “latch key kids”. It became necessary for my mother to join my father at work. Costs had begun to rise while earnings began to stagnate. I spent my life at labor, working long hours and earning less instead of more with each passing year. I have been a “common labourer” all my life. I'll be proud of that fact to my dying day.
I have seen America transformed from what seemed a shining beacon of hope and freedom to a dark and vicious aggressor nation, ruled by an utterly ruthless capitalist regime seeking absolute global hegemony. Appearances can be deceiving. America was a beautiful, shiny apple that was rotten at the core.
Now I live in amerika. The shine is gone and darkness prevails. At the beginning of a new millennium, we have regressed to a society of medieval mores and a rigid class system. We are entering a new Dark Age, which promises to rival the old in suffering, depravity and oppression.
We have technology at our disposal that could help create a world civilization of peace, equality and prosperity while preserving a beautiful, natural, ecologically sound planet. We choose instead to use that power to rape, pillage and destroy all that we see. We have chosen war rather than peace, fear rather than joy, greed rather than generosity and death over life.
As I enter “the autumn of my madness”, I am overcome with sorrow. Every time I look at my grandson or hear his innocent laughter, tears fill my eyes. My heart is crushed at the thought of the future I am leaving him.
I am witnessing the end of an epoch.
The dream I had, of peace in my lifetime, has been replaced by despair for the future.
Minor Axis
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In association with private property, the Libertarians in the U.S. like to believe that individual freedom includes discrimination and segregation. As much as politicians like Rand Paul might call it disdainful, he still believes it is an individual's right. This has nothing to do with whom you make friends with or invite into your house. It has to do with merchants that are open to the public.
Instead of a law outlawing discrimination based on race, religion, or gender, instead of knowing it is bad and rejecting it, Libertarians believe it is better to just let things go with the flow and "if" it is bad, eventually it will go away. The segregated South lasted 100 years after the U.S. Civil War and it took a pro-active government to lawfully eradicate it in the early 1960s.
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Accountable
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Really?? Segregation? Show me where any American this century has said we should forcibly separate people. Your exaggerations are approaching trolling.
The segregation you refer to was supported and enforced by the government. Try to keep your rants in the same context, Minor. Otherwise someone might mistake you for a liar.
But in Ron Paul's world, segregation would once again be supported and enforced by the government. Don't you see that?
In Ron Paul's world restaurant owners would be allowed to exclude blacks if they wanted to (since it's their own private property) and the police (government) would be obliged to remove any black person who would dare to defy that. So maybe the government wouldn't "support" segregation, but they would turn a blind eye to it if it was a business.
Accountable
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That's not segregation. That's discrimination. Segregation would involve schools and government facilities. Towns would have to have zoning laws designating not only areas for businesses and homes, but homes for this group and homes for that group. None of that is legal or constitutional because the government, unlike private business, must serve all the people.
Just look a few of the examples above. What you talk about is government segregation like schools and public places. But you can see that segregation can happen in restaurants, water fountains, public toilet, movies or rentals. The only one that would be stricken from the list above would be attending schools.
Worse yet, people could be banned altogether. Forget about segregation, entire groups of people could be banned.
Accountable
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Our country would slowly start to segregate into different groups and integration would be a thing of the past in rural areas.
Here is some more bad(or good??) news now from Australia!!!
Occupy Australia : 2,500 US Marines
For Permanent Darwin Base
By Dr Gideon Polya
http://www.countercurrents.org/polya261111.htm
While Sydney and Melbourne police were violently arresting and dispersing Occupy Sydney and Occupy Melbourne off-shoots of the 99% versus 1% Occupy Wall Street Movement, the cowardly Labor Government was announcing an Occupy Australia movement whereby 2,500 child-killing US Marines will be indefinitely based in Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia, and that there will be increased use of Australia by the US Navy and the US Air Force
Occupy Australia : 2,500 US Marines
For Permanent Darwin Base
By Dr Gideon Polya
http://www.countercurrents.org/polya261111.htm
While Sydney and Melbourne police were violently arresting and dispersing Occupy Sydney and Occupy Melbourne off-shoots of the 99% versus 1% Occupy Wall Street Movement, the cowardly Labor Government was announcing an Occupy Australia movement whereby 2,500 child-killing US Marines will be indefinitely based in Darwin, Northern Territory, Australia, and that there will be increased use of Australia by the US Navy and the US Air Force
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Froggy the Prick
Accountable
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May I take the liberty of interrupting to say that it is NOT human tendency to segregate but rather an 'ideology' created by men against men.
'Practice of restricting people to certain circumscribed areas of residence or to separate institutions and facilities on the basis of race or alleged race. Racial segregation provides a means of maintaining the economic advantages and higher social status of politically dominant races. Historically, various conquerors—among them Asian Mongols, African Bantu, and American Aztecs—have practiced discrimination involving the segregation of subject races. Racial segregation has appeared in all multiracial communities, except where racial amalgamation has occurred on a large scale, as in Hawaii and Brazil. In such places there has been occasional social discrimination but not legal segregation. In the Southern states of the U.S., public facilities were segregated from the late 19th century into the 1950s (see Jim Crow law), and in South Africa a system of apartheid sanctioned discrimination against nonwhites until it was abolished in the 1990s. The U.S. civil rights movement and Civil Rights Act of 1964 helped end racial segregation in education and public facilities, though other forms of racial discrimination continued.'
For more information on segregation, racial, visit Britannica.com. Britannica Concise Encyclopedia. Copyright © 1994-2008 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/segregation,+racial
'Practice of restricting people to certain circumscribed areas of residence or to separate institutions and facilities on the basis of race or alleged race. Racial segregation provides a means of maintaining the economic advantages and higher social status of politically dominant races. Historically, various conquerors—among them Asian Mongols, African Bantu, and American Aztecs—have practiced discrimination involving the segregation of subject races. Racial segregation has appeared in all multiracial communities, except where racial amalgamation has occurred on a large scale, as in Hawaii and Brazil. In such places there has been occasional social discrimination but not legal segregation. In the Southern states of the U.S., public facilities were segregated from the late 19th century into the 1950s (see Jim Crow law), and in South Africa a system of apartheid sanctioned discrimination against nonwhites until it was abolished in the 1990s. The U.S. civil rights movement and Civil Rights Act of 1964 helped end racial segregation in education and public facilities, though other forms of racial discrimination continued.'
For more information on segregation, racial, visit Britannica.com. Britannica Concise Encyclopedia. Copyright © 1994-2008 Encyclopædia Britannica, Inc.
http://encyclopedia2.thefreedictionary.com/segregation,+racial
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