the world is full of cruelty

[Dana]

btw why is siding with me unfortunate? :24::24: contrary to popular belief I am a bright individual with a hell of a lotta common sense. :ninja

 

[Mystic]

this is horrendous animal cruelty

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/nat...soline_then_lit_him_on_fir.html#ixzz1Oq46xNNI

... future murderer there.... people who hurt animals are on the next step to hurting humans and should be put down like we would a rabid dog. I'd love to have a go at any one who hurts animals. I'd kick the shit out of them.

poor dog, i hope it gets a wonderful home after this ordeal.

 

[Alexis]

Depending on the sentence/scenario/diagnosis, she could be institutionalized and basically locked up, but receiving medication and therapy intended to improve her behaviors. She may just have a personality disorder that requires some psychiatric fine tuning- she's young enough for intervention.

She deserves punishment if she is not found incompetent, but just throwing a mentally ill person in the cut throat world of jails/prisons can lead to more violent reactions once they're out.

She won't get the electric chair for this, nor life in prison...the point is, she will be back on the streets! How do ya want her? Traumatized in jail or given a decent shot at fixing her fucked head?

That's how I see it, at least.

Since she hasn't hurt another human, that may be a reasonable place for her.

 

[purpledove]

Often, I sit on the opposite side of the table than you, in regard to criminals.

However, this young lady is 14. If she can get proper help early, there is a good chance she can still be a productive member of society.

She isn't going to get the rehab she needs in Prison.

Agreed and to point out there's what we call with the state that is Prison-like with provision of Psychiatric help. That's the fenced in- or Forensics facility they call it over the Mental hospital per se who's just tending to the mentally ill of the society with no pending trials or felony/misdemeanor charges

I think the punishment should really be based on a psychiatric evaluation. That will really give the most clarity.

Correctamundo :nod:

What exactly will Psychiatric help do for her? Will they teach her to behave correctly? Will medication do the trick? How can someone be taught that their behavior is wrong and change it?

I work in a State Forensic facility. And to answer your question, there is what I mention above as a Forensics facility both under the Department of Justice and Mental Health. Hence her sentence pending while undergoing rehabilitation in a sort of prison setting under Psychiatric help! Medication, classes like Anger management and Coping skills etc will be taught to her. She's not gonna be released till she's cleared by a Team of Psychiatrist, Psychologist, RNs, PT etc. It would be a work in progress with her.

 

[Francis]

this is horrendous animal cruelty

I totally agree this is disturbing but after reading the story I stopped and read it again..

There were a few things that really bothered me about this..

Let's deal with the 14 year old first. The article says she was "mad at the puppy" but does not elaborate as to why ?

No where in the article does it say the 14 year old have or had prior issues with the law or why she was even mad at the puppy. From this article you can't tell if the 14 year old had been bitten, pushed over and hurt by the dog or was even if it was an autistic child..

The 43 year old woman waited at least one day before taking the dog to the vet ? If that was me I would have calling the SPCA.. I checked her area and they have one as well as many animal rescue centres..

http://www.hsmo.org/

So why would she have been afraid to call the SPCA to rescue this dog that would obviously be in great pain..

Too much does not add up here and being a very lax article of reporting I find it interesting that people are ready to lynch the kid without all the facts..

Perhaps when all the details are out we shall find out this was a very bad child and a poor puppy, but I find this article and report to leave way to much out to determine that right now.. IMO this is what I think of this news reporting. :thumbdown

 

[Darrell]

What exactly will Psychiatric help do for her? Will they teach her to behave correctly? Will medication do the trick? How can someone be taught that their behavior is wrong and change it?

That is literally one of the most ignorant posts I have EVER read.

You are basically implying that anyone with any sort of psychological issue is a lost cause?

Not everyone can be rehabilitated, shit some don't want to be. That doesn't mean that they should not be given a chance to rehabilitate.

I won't speculate what will and won't work, but it's worth a try. I am not a board licensed Physician. Are you? :dunno

 

[purpledove]

i would imagine it would make them worse, it might deepen her hatred and actually encourage her to be more aggeressive in the future

sure there are programs designed to help offenders rehabilitate but when deeply damaged as she must be to be able to torture a dog in this way, i belive she shoudl be out of jail an in psychiatric care

Given her age, she can still be rehabilitated. She had not hurt any humans yet as per report hence compared to those who have and yet given the chance to be rehabilitated, she should not be judged right away as she might just need treatment. She should be given a chance just like everyone else who have done much worse that I've seen from my patients

 

[purpledove]

I totally agree this is disturbing but after reading the story I stopped and read it again..

There were a few things that really bothered me about this..

Let's deal with the 14 year old first. The article says she was "mad at the puppy" but does not elaborate as to why ?

No where in the article does it say the 14 year old have or had prior issues with the law or why she was even mad at the puppy. From this article you can't tell if the 14 year old had been bitten, pushed over and hurt by the dog or was even if it was an autistic child..

The 43 year old woman waited at least one day before taking the dog to the vet ? If that was me I would have calling the SPCA.. I checked her area and they have one as well as many animal rescue centres..

http://www.hsmo.org/

So why would she have been afraid to call the SPCA to rescue this dog that would obviously be in great pain..

Too much does not add up here and being a very lax article of reporting I find it interesting that people are ready to lynch the kid without all the facts..

Perhaps when all the details are out we shall find out this was a very bad child and a poor puppy, but I find this article and report to leave way to much out to determine that right now.. IMO this is what I think of this news reporting. :thumbdown

hence further evaluation of the situation and Psychological tests needs to be done too. Plus further inverstigation into the real events and underlying issues. There is a chance that this poor girl is also abused by her parents or what not! Who knows? Who are we to judge right away without knowing all the facts :willy_nilly:

 

[Dana]

I totally agree this is disturbing but after reading the story I stopped and read it again..

There were a few things that really bothered me about this..

Let's deal with the 14 year old first. The article says she was "mad at the puppy" but does not elaborate as to why ?

No where in the article does it say the 14 year old have or had prior issues with the law or why she was even mad at the puppy. From this article you can't tell if the 14 year old had been bitten, pushed over and hurt by the dog or was even if it was an autistic child..

The 43 year old woman waited at least one day before taking the dog to the vet ? If that was me I would have calling the SPCA.. I checked her area and they have one as well as many animal rescue centres..

http://www.hsmo.org/

So why would she have been afraid to call the SPCA to rescue this dog that would obviously be in great pain..

Too much does not add up here and being a very lax article of reporting I find it interesting that people are ready to lynch the kid without all the facts..

Perhaps when all the details are out we shall find out this was a very bad child and a poor puppy, but I find this article and report to leave way to much out to determine that right now.. IMO this is what I think of this news reporting. :thumbdown

IDGAF.. She lit the fucking dog on fire. The dog could of bitten her yes. i've been jumped on by dogs and shit but I never fucking lit them on fire. IF she was some special needs child and I say IF because you're reaching here. Then where the fuck was the parent in this situation when this happened?

 

[Dana]

I think a lot of your hearts bleed a bit too much TBH.

 

[Darrell]

I think a lot of you're hearts bleed a bit too much TBH.

A little humility goes a long way.

 

[porterjack]

A little humility goes a long way.

I think i love you

 

[Dana]

humility?

 

[Dana]

I think i love you

An OTZ Bromance :24: I'm a realist when it comes to everyday affairs. I'm sorry.

 

[porterjack]

Oh i thought he said humanity

 

[Darrell]

humility?

Yes, did you need a definition of the word?

Let me make it simple. Your previous post is pretty arrogant. To show humility is to NOT be arrogant.

 

[Dana]

I'm sorry if honesty is frowned upon. *shrugs*

 

[Panacea]

I think i love you

So what am I so afraid of? *gets out bell bottoms*

But I agree, I'm rather proud of my sloshy heart.

 

[Darrell]

I'm sorry if honesty is frowned upon. *shrugs*

Arrogant blanket statements are frowned upon.

Sorry to derail this thread. Back on topic.

 

[porterjack]

So what am I so afraid of? *gets out bell bottoms*

But I agree, I'm rather proud of my sloshy heart.

Confused is me