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satinbutterfly

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It doesn't bother you that she lies?

Who doesn't? Seriously... we all do. At work, to our family, to our friends... everyone lies.

We hate being lied to, but for some reason seem to feel it's necessary for us to lie to others. Such a contradiction.

"He who is without sin cast the first stone."
 
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I am all for Hillary. I have traditionally voted republican, but really find little in the GOP to represent what I think is right for the country. Hillary is a woman of vision and with a plan. Her extensive experience with non-profit and governmental organizations give her the expertise she needs to work within the government. I think that she has a realistic view of the current state of international relations.

I think this country is on the brink of disaster and we need someone who is going to firmly and slowly talk us back from the edge. These problems were decades in the making and a few inspiring speeches isn't going to change anything. Commitment to the process and a willingness to do what's needed (not what's popular) will.
What indicators have shown that? Disaster seems like a very strong word for our situation.
 

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Well if all we have to choose from are politicians, we'll never have a perfect one, and certainly not one who doesn't lie.

And don't get me wrong, I can't stand career politicians. But surprisingly enough, Obama comes across decent and well educated. Hilary may be well educated, but she acts like a stupid moron by lying to people while on campaign.
 

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Meh, we've had far worse recessions in our history.


We are on the brink of depression, so far....Economic growth is up a whopping .6%.....That's a 6 with a decimal in front of it, meaning we are on the fringes of an economic standstill, with a failing housing market and borrowing 12billion a day to fund a war we stand no chance of accomplishing anything with.

Beyond that I see no good reason for total collapse:smiley24:
 

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One of my friends swears that the economy is totally going to tank. I find it funny that when the economy is going through a rough patch, everybody freaks out. Technically a recession is usually seen as a two consecutive quarters of economic decline. From what I've been hearing we have not gone through two quarters of economic decline. However if by June the economy is still slowing, then I'll start thinking about a recession.
 

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A good book to read on American economics is:

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The economy certainly is playing a very large role in the upcoming election. With more and more Americans losing their homes and their fortunes every day, the candidates are being asked how they will handle the problems.

The way I see it, the economy is the base of any nation. When that economy crumbles, everything else comes tumbling down. If we elect John McCain, who has stated himself that the economy is not his strong suit, then we may have some problems. I do realize that presidents normally rely on their advisers for the more specific situations, but if you ever listen to John McCain try to talk about the economy, its pathetic. Its safe to say that a president who knows nothing about the economy is much, much more susceptible to destroy it than an economist.

Therefore, John McCain will destroy the base of our nation by inadvertently dismantling our once robust economy.
 

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Clinton wins key Democratic vote
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Hillary Clinton: 'You know you can count on me'

Hillary Clinton has beaten rival Barack Obama in a critical vote in the state of Pennsylvania as the two battle to be the Democrats' presidential candidate.
Speaking after her convincing 10-point win, she said Americans deserved "a president who doesn't quit".
Although this victory keeps her campaign alive, Mrs Clinton's win is not enough to turn the tables on her rival, correspondents say.
Mr Obama said he had done well to gain ground on Mrs Clinton in Pennsylvania.
With 99% of returns counted, Mrs Clinton was leading Mr Obama by 55% to 45%.
No quitting
The former first lady told cheering supporters at a victory rally in Philadelphia that she had beaten a "formidable opponent" who had outspent her three-to-one.
"Some people counted me out and said to drop out, but the American people don't quit and they deserve a president who doesn't quit either," she said.
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Barack Obama: 'New voters will lead Democrats to victory'
"Because of you, the tide is turning."
She also appealed for more donations to her campaign war chest, saying it was the only way she could continue to compete with a rival who was outspending her "massively".
Mr Obama congratulated Mrs Clinton as he addressed a rally in Indiana, one of the next states to hold a primary vote, but also said his campaign had done better than expected in Pennsylvania.
"There were a lot of folks who didn't think we could make this a close race when it started," he said.
"Six weeks later, we closed the gap. We rallied people of every age and race and background to our cause."
The BBC's Jonathan Beale in Washington says Mrs Clinton has gained a clear victory that keeps her presidential hopes alive.



DEMOCRATIC DELEGATES
Barack Obama: Pledged delegates: 1,415
Super-delegates: 233
Total: 1,648
Hillary Clinton: Pledged delegates: 1,251
Super-delegates: 258
Total: 1,509
Source: AP estimates ahead of 22 April primary

While her win is not enough to turn the tables on her rival, who still retains the overall lead and has much more cash to spend, it suggests her perseverance and resilience is paying off, our correspondent adds.
Exit polls for US media suggest Mrs Clinton won by taking the votes of blue-collar workers, women and white men, the Associated Press reported.
Women - who have tended to favour Mrs Clinton - made up 60% of Democratic voters in the state, according to the exit polls.
Mrs Clinton also won the support of six out of 10 of those who decided which of the pair to back within the last week - a period during which campaign rhetoric sharpened.
The economy once again emerged as the most important issue for voters, with more than 80% of those surveyed saying the nation was already in a recession.
'Big state'
With four million registered Democrats, and 158 pledged delegates to the Democratic Party's nominating convention in August, Pennsylvania was the last of the big states to hold a primary.
Although Mrs Clinton is behind in the delegate count and in the total votes cast, she has won most of the big state contests.
With the delegates split in proportion to the vote, neither candidate is expected to win sufficient pledged delegates to seal the nomination in the remaining primaries, and the two are courting 800 or so unelected "super-delegates".
Mrs Clinton's argument - which she hopes will sway the super-delegates - is that only she will be able to secure wins in critical large states come November's presidential election.
Mr Obama has dismissed the big-state argument, saying there was "no chance" of the Democrats losing New York or California in the presidential election, no matter who the candidate was.
The Republican Party also held a primary in Pennsylvania on Tuesday, with presumptive nominee John McCain set to take all the delegates on offer.
Mr McCain spent the day in Ohio - expected to be a key battleground state in November - where he spoke of the need to create new opportunities to replace lost blue-collar jobs.
Iran warning
On Tuesday, Mrs Clinton emphasised what she says is a strength - her leadership ability and foreign affairs credentials.
HAVE YOUR SAY Let them fight it out, I do not care who wins; either candidate will be a strong contender Wayne, Idaho

As the contenders appeared on the US morning talk show circuit, Mrs Clinton was asked how she would respond if Iran launched a nuclear attack on Israel, and replied with a stark warning.
"If I'm the president, we will attack Iran... we would be able to totally obliterate them," she told TV network ABC.
"That's a terrible thing to say, but those people who run Iran need to understand that, because that perhaps will deter them from doing something that would be reckless, foolish and tragic."
In response, Mr Obama said: "Using words like 'obliterate' - it doesn't actually produce good results, and so I'm not interested in sabre-rattling."
He said only that Iran should know he would respond "forcefully" to an attack on any US ally.
The US fears Iran is trying to acquire nuclear weapons, and could use them against Israel. Iran insists its nuclear programme is solely for power generation.

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McCain because he's like the oldest guy and he was in the Vietnam War...so I guess he has more experience?
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Obama because it's time for an African American to become a U.S. president.

I don't want Hilary, she scares me...
 
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