Peter Parka
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Dosent it just warm you to their cause watching them vandalise stuff and disrespect their country and people who died for their right to free speech?:sarcasm
The Student Protests
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Number 2, Rafael!
I say shoot them. Scruffy tax dodging urchins.
Peter Parka
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Apparently this guy is the son of Pink Floyd guitarist, David Gimour. All his education and he didn't recognise the Cenotaph (yeah, I dont believe him either, try again!)
Tuition fee protests: Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, apologises for climbing Cenotaph
Charlie Gilmour, the son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, has apologised for climbing the Cenotaph during the student protest against tuition fees, admitting that he was “mortified” by his actions.
By Victoria Ward 1:45PM GMT 10 Dec 2010 628 Comments
Mr Gilmour was pictured swinging from the Whitehall memorial on a Union Jack, prompting widespread anger and condemnation.
In a statement, he expressed his “deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country”.
He said: "I feel nothing but shame. My intention was not to attack or defile the Cenotaph. Running along with a crowd of people who had just been violently repelled by the police, I got caught up in the spirit of the moment.
"I did not realise that it was the Cenotaph and if I had, I certainly would not have done what I did.
"I feel additionally mortified that my moment of idiocy has distracted so much from the message yesterday's protest was trying to send out.
"Those who are commemorated by the Cenotaph died to protect the very freedoms that allow the people of Britain the right to protest and I feel deeply ashamed to have, although unintentionally and unknowingly, insulted the memory of them.
"Ignorance is the poorest of excuses but I am sincerely sorry."
The son of Polly Samson, the journalist and writer, he was adopted by David Gilmour following the couple’s marriage in 1994.
He grew up in the family’s £1.4 million farmhouse in Billingshurst, West Sussex, with the couple’s three other children.
Charlie Gilmour’s biological father is Heathcote Williams, the writer and actor.
After the protest Miss Samson wrote on her Twitter page: “Son in a mess after day at protests. Battered and bleeding with smashed phone. Not making much sense. Am fearful.”
David Gilmour's former bandmate Roger Waters lost his father in the Second World War and has written about his loss extensively throughout his career, including a number of Pink Floyd songs.
The track When The Tigers Broke Free chronicles an attack on the Royal Fusiliers by German Tiger tanks.
Mr Waters' father, Eric Fletcher Waters, served in the Fusiliers and died during Operation Shingle.
On the track, he describes how he found a letter of condolence from the Government. The song ends with his anguished cry: "And that's how the High Command took my daddy from me."
The cover of Floyd's album The Final Cut , on which When The Tigers Broke Free has been included , features a poppy and four Second World War medal ribbons.
Up to 30,000 students laid siege to Parliament square ahead of yesterday's vote in the House of Commons.
In chaotic running battles with a mob, one mounted officer was knocked from his horse, another suffered a serious neck injury and others were attacked with flares, sticks, snooker balls and smoke bombs.
One student urinated on the Winston Churchill statue in the square.
Thousands condemned the actions as outrageous and irresponsible.
On Twitter, one user wrote: “Shame on the people defacing the cenotaph and statue of Winston Churchill you disgust me and the nation.”
Sara Habachi wrote: “I would be very interested to see the parent's reaction to their child swinging from the Cenotaph."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...Gilmour-apologises-for-climbing-Cenotaph.html
Tuition fee protests: Charlie Gilmour, son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, apologises for climbing Cenotaph
Charlie Gilmour, the son of Pink Floyd guitarist David Gilmour, has apologised for climbing the Cenotaph during the student protest against tuition fees, admitting that he was “mortified” by his actions.
By Victoria Ward 1:45PM GMT 10 Dec 2010 628 Comments
Mr Gilmour was pictured swinging from the Whitehall memorial on a Union Jack, prompting widespread anger and condemnation.
In a statement, he expressed his “deepest apologies for the terrible insult to the thousands of people who died bravely for our country”.
He said: "I feel nothing but shame. My intention was not to attack or defile the Cenotaph. Running along with a crowd of people who had just been violently repelled by the police, I got caught up in the spirit of the moment.
"I did not realise that it was the Cenotaph and if I had, I certainly would not have done what I did.
"I feel additionally mortified that my moment of idiocy has distracted so much from the message yesterday's protest was trying to send out.
"Those who are commemorated by the Cenotaph died to protect the very freedoms that allow the people of Britain the right to protest and I feel deeply ashamed to have, although unintentionally and unknowingly, insulted the memory of them.
"Ignorance is the poorest of excuses but I am sincerely sorry."
The son of Polly Samson, the journalist and writer, he was adopted by David Gilmour following the couple’s marriage in 1994.
He grew up in the family’s £1.4 million farmhouse in Billingshurst, West Sussex, with the couple’s three other children.
Charlie Gilmour’s biological father is Heathcote Williams, the writer and actor.
After the protest Miss Samson wrote on her Twitter page: “Son in a mess after day at protests. Battered and bleeding with smashed phone. Not making much sense. Am fearful.”
David Gilmour's former bandmate Roger Waters lost his father in the Second World War and has written about his loss extensively throughout his career, including a number of Pink Floyd songs.
The track When The Tigers Broke Free chronicles an attack on the Royal Fusiliers by German Tiger tanks.
Mr Waters' father, Eric Fletcher Waters, served in the Fusiliers and died during Operation Shingle.
On the track, he describes how he found a letter of condolence from the Government. The song ends with his anguished cry: "And that's how the High Command took my daddy from me."
The cover of Floyd's album The Final Cut , on which When The Tigers Broke Free has been included , features a poppy and four Second World War medal ribbons.
Up to 30,000 students laid siege to Parliament square ahead of yesterday's vote in the House of Commons.
In chaotic running battles with a mob, one mounted officer was knocked from his horse, another suffered a serious neck injury and others were attacked with flares, sticks, snooker balls and smoke bombs.
One student urinated on the Winston Churchill statue in the square.
Thousands condemned the actions as outrageous and irresponsible.
On Twitter, one user wrote: “Shame on the people defacing the cenotaph and statue of Winston Churchill you disgust me and the nation.”
Sara Habachi wrote: “I would be very interested to see the parent's reaction to their child swinging from the Cenotaph."
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/educatio...Gilmour-apologises-for-climbing-Cenotaph.html
£9000 a year, up from £3600 or thereabouts.
Peter Parka
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Up to £9,000 a year. Still not to bad considering you get a degree at the end of it. Apparently students seem to think that they should be the only ones immune from the cuts neccessary due to the credit crunch.
Wait, so you would pay approximately $18,000 USD a year for an education provided by the state?
I get a public education and only pay $1500 a year. Where are your taxes going to?
That's the thing, the cuts don't make economic, social or moral sense.
A raise in tuition fees costs the country huge amounts of money, a 200% increase for every single student (which estimates account at about 70% of secondary school graduates) is being passed onto the tax payer. Government might not subsidise universities anymore now, but they still subsidise the student loan company.
This is why no university opposed these tuition fee raises, because now they will be getting more income, and because it's no longer directly coming from the government, they have less responsibility to spend it wisely and in the interest of the nation and its future graduates.
And a degree isn't all that, considering most people soon will be in possession of one, and the great dichotomy between degrees will widen yet further. What I mean is, an Oxbridge graduate is paying the same £9000 for their degree, as a Luton graduate.
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It was never provided by the state, but it was supported by subsidy. No longer though, a private company (The Student Loans Company) now holds controlling interest on the countries future skilled workforce.
I have no idea where the money goes, instead of raising tuition fees, Cameron should have created some sort of regulatory body for universities, because, speaking from first-hand experience, they are terribley inefficient. Almost every department at my university is grossly overstaffed, lecturers are afforded paid time off once a year (they only work 20 weeks out of the year anyway) and have no concept of energy conservation.
If universities are spending too much in these harsh economic times, don't afford them a great payrise. Force them to be more efficient.
Peter Parka
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I'm all in favour of something which will sort out the students after a serious education from the ones wanting to do pointless and stupid degrees while sitting around getting pissed and partying for a few years.
Good point.
Too many people in college don't give a crap and are wasting their time and their parents' money.
Peter Parka
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Some degrees available are pointless and stupid. I remember a few years ago there was even a degree in the Spice Girls for Christ sake!:willy_nilly:
It's iffy.
Having a degree is better than having no degree.
On the other hand, so many students go to college without a goal in mind and pick something stupid like business. Business? BUSINESS!?!?!? You're going to school to study BUSINESS?!?!?! :willy_nilly:
It shouldn't even be offered.
Then again, colleges will offer anything if it means more students and more cash.
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I do think the violent students are just sickening. By all means protest, but acting like spoilt children bent on distruction becuase things aren't going their way is just disgusting.
Swinging from the Cenotaph, urinating on a statue of Winston Churchill, mindless vandalism, attacking police officers and attacking the future King of England's car is beyond comprehension. Even if you don't like the monarchy, attacking anyone in their car is fucking sickening, lowlife behaviour. :thumbdown
The rise in tuition fees isn't fair, but you know what a lot of things in life aren't fair. But people have the choice to be an adult and by all means protest, but not in a childish and quite pathetic manner. I don't understand how people think that acting in a violent manner is going to help their cause, I think it is having quite the opposite effect as people are getting more and more fed up of seeing it. But for "intelligent students" they seem to be too thick to realise they are shooting themselves in the foot.
I know from a psychological point of view that being in crowds does cause deindividuation, which might partly explain it, but I think a lot of the people are idiots who just wanted to cause trouble. Setting off to a protest with snookerballs and the like, just seems to me that they were planning the trouble and not just caught up in a moment of maddness.
Swinging from the Cenotaph, urinating on a statue of Winston Churchill, mindless vandalism, attacking police officers and attacking the future King of England's car is beyond comprehension. Even if you don't like the monarchy, attacking anyone in their car is fucking sickening, lowlife behaviour. :thumbdown
The rise in tuition fees isn't fair, but you know what a lot of things in life aren't fair. But people have the choice to be an adult and by all means protest, but not in a childish and quite pathetic manner. I don't understand how people think that acting in a violent manner is going to help their cause, I think it is having quite the opposite effect as people are getting more and more fed up of seeing it. But for "intelligent students" they seem to be too thick to realise they are shooting themselves in the foot.
I know from a psychological point of view that being in crowds does cause deindividuation, which might partly explain it, but I think a lot of the people are idiots who just wanted to cause trouble. Setting off to a protest with snookerballs and the like, just seems to me that they were planning the trouble and not just caught up in a moment of maddness.
they were attacked by police first, as is ALWAYS the case with public protest. It's long been known that governments employ trouble makers they label as "anarchists" to stir shit up so protestors lose public support. Don't believe the shit the media feeds you. This happens at every major protest. All it takes is a few agitators, a reaction from the police and mob mentality takes over. The students are just ordinary people for fucks sake. Large crowds are so damn easy to rile, as the authorities well know, that you could turn an OAP procession into a riot with little effort.
My education was totally free. I don't see why kids nowadays should have to pay. If we can afford to fight pointless wars overseas we can damn well afford to educate our kids. End of.
My education was totally free. I don't see why kids nowadays should have to pay. If we can afford to fight pointless wars overseas we can damn well afford to educate our kids. End of.
Accountable
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It is not always the case, I would believe that media outlets hire agitators before the gov't , and you're education was not totally free.
the government is more likely. they want people not to support protestors. It's an old tradition in the UK. And it happened in Canada too at the g20 protests, that is well documented and captured on film.
of course my education wasn't "free", the government paid for it. It was free for me though. And I got a grant towards living expenses. I don't think it's too much to ask, not given how much is spent on the fucking military and shit like that.
Accountable
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I always love that logic.:sarcasm
Peter Parka
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Care to back that up with any proof? Why would the police deliberately try and cause trouble which they know would lead to their own getting hurt and widespread damage? How did the police make a student piss on Winston Churchill's statue? How did the police make the mob attack the royal family who were doing nothing wrong?
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