The secret of the Illuminati and why they are identifiable yet unstoppable.

[Stone]

I have no doubt that the wealthy elite have immense power in this world, but I really doubt that they are some organization that attempts to remain secret while pulling the strings of all politicians all over the world. More like they influence the decisions of those in power through inside agreements, deals and negotiations.

My thoughts, also.

 

[Greatest I am]

A terrible looking DVD scam passes as your "proof"


haha oh man

All I offer is proof that some believe that there is what I do not believe is an organized group.

I made that clear in the O P.


Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

That video appears to have been assembled by one of the creators of 'Loose Change'.
As much of a lying SOB that I think GW Bush was, that video was mostly an assembly of claims that were proven to be distortions.
What makes you think he isn't lying to you now?

For an unproven entity, one could say that is all information is speculative nonsense. I would.

All I am saying is that, the real Illuminati, if one can even say that, is the top of all economic demographic pyramids.

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

I have no doubt that the wealthy elite have immense power in this world, but I really doubt that they are some organization that attempts to remain secret while pulling the strings of all politicians all over the world. More like they influence the decisions of those in power through inside agreements, deals and negotiations.

No argument on this.

Regards
DL

 

[skyblue]

i refuse to believe that theres an all powerful group that allow wars,famine,rihanna and destruction of the planet

 

[Stone]

All I offer is proof that some believe that there is what I do not believe is an organized group.

I made that clear in the O P.


Regards
DL

Some people still believe the Earth is flat.
( http://www.alaska.net/~clund/e_djublonskopf/Flatearthsociety.htm )
My producing a link to it is not proof of the claim.

So I'm calling BS on another of your posts/threads

 

[Stone]

For an unproven entity, one could say that is all information is speculative nonsense. I would.

All I am saying is that, the real Illuminati, if one can even say that, is the top of all economic demographic pyramids.

Regards
DL

If you're going to make the claim of the existence of the Illuminati, it's up to you to prove it, not others to disproive it.

 

[Greatest I am]

i refuse to believe that theres an all powerful group that allow wars,famine,rihanna and destruction of the planet

Since there is no conspiracy or group, we can say that we are all contributing to the woes you point to.
We simply do not cooperate well enough unless driven by crisis.

Regards
DL

 

[Mercury]

We simply do not cooperate well enough unless driven by crisis.

Now that has a lot of truth to it!

 

[Stone]

Since there is no conspiracy or group, we can say that we are all contributing to the woes you point to.
We simply do not cooperate well enough unless driven by crisis.

Regards
DL

Since there is no conspiracy or group, we can say that we are all contributing to the woes you point to.

You can and do ...say that, but where is the logic of holding those accountable for actions they had no part in?

 

[Greatest I am]

You can and do ...say that, but where is the logic of holding those accountable for actions they had no part in?

???

Who am I holding accountable for what?

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

???

Who am I holding accountable for what?

Regards
DL

Since there is no conspiracy or group, we can say that we are all contributing to the woes you point to.
......................................

Regards
DL

You wrote it ....you explain it.

 

[Stone]

I'll be back.
The drizzle has stopped and I need to finish mowing the yard

 

[Greatest I am]

You wrote it ....you explain it.

Do we not all contribute to wars, famine, rihanna and destruction of the planet by electing the people policies that we do?

Yes we do.

Regards
DL

 

[Stone]

Do we not all contribute to wars, famine, rihanna and destruction of the planet by electing the people policies that we do?

Yes we do.

Regards
DL

No....'we' all don't.
You're playing the same old fallacy as in the past by arguing absolutes on the basis of a select few.
And I haven't a clue as to what 'rihanna' refers to.
Do you?

 

[MoonOwl]

hehehehehehehehehehehehe........ that's not true..

Or is it?

 

[MoonOwl]

I should add that I used to post w/a guy who honestly believed we faked going to the moon.:wtf:

First, and only, non-believer I've ever conversed with. Tho, that was quite a few years ago. Last night, PS was looking at a link from reddit showing the moon and all the stuff we left up there. I wonder if his position would change if he saw that or just think that is all smoke & mirrors too?

That said, those w/minds closed to possibilities will never see what is right in front of their eyes if they only look carefully.:ninja:cool

 

[Mercury]

I should add that I used to post w/a guy who honestly believed we faked going to the moon.:wtf:

Yeah ... I knew a guy who thought the same. Always was good for an entertaining laugh. I also knew another guy who truly believed that the Moon is actually a space station and that the only reason we see one side from Earth is because the other side was not finished yet.

That said, those w/minds closed to possibilities will never see what is right in front of their eyes if they only look carefully.:ninja:cool

VERY true!

 

[MoonOwl]

Yeah ... I knew a guy who thought the same. Always was good for an entertaining laugh. I also knew another guy who truly believed that the Moon is actually a space station and that the only reason we see one side from Earth is because the other side was not finished yet.


I've come across that too. But different. All the 'stuff' is on the Dark Side so we can't see it Hey, she did ring when we pinged her when checking for water a while ago I think I first read that on David Icke's site. :ninja


VERY true!

:ninja shhhhhhhhhhh...... we're supposed to be pretending we're UsefulIdiots..... Do Not Question Ever! Those behind the curtain prefer it that way.:cool It enables them to run laughing into the night all the way to the bank.:cool

 

[Stone]

............................
We simply do not cooperate well enough unless driven by crisis.

Regards
DL

Now that has a lot of truth to it!

Well....there is little need to cooperate in situations that aren't of a crisis level event, to begin with.

Cooperation is a reflection of the polarity within a society, not necessarily the imposition of a crisis......the intensity of polarization of thought on that particular event/concept.
For instance....Bush was able to polarize the public after 911 into agreeing to an invasion into Iraq. It was propaganda that drove general acceptance, not the reality of the crisis itself.
As the years of occupation passed, it became obvious the original intent of the invasion was bogus.
Again, take the banking scandal. This happened by convincing the general public there was no crisis.....and now the polarization in the general population has produced political leaders reflecting such intense opposition that 'compromise' on solutions often seem non existent.

In actuality, as a nation, we often don't cooperate well before, during and after a crisis.
The Civil War would be a classic example of just how far a crisis can be driven by the lack of cooperation.

I think this is one of the bigger hazards we face today as a society, a fractured society polarized to the point it's difficult to reach solutions that are necessary for it's own survival.
Today, politics is about the opponent giving in to demands, not the search for mutually agreeable solutions.

We simply do not cooperate well enough unless driven by crisis.

Sometimes we don't cooperate well enough because there is a crisis.
Control the emotions of a society and cooperation is controlled at the same time.
So it's really more about propaganda than the actual crisis.


Like the objective of this thread.
What is it?

Read the opening post.
It's not about the negatives of a secret society, it's an argument that supports domination by a secret dictatorship.

Should the Illuminati be stopped?
No. If they ever did disappear, we would invent a newIlluminati.

Why not stop them?
Because society would go to chaos and our socio economicdemographic pyramid would collapse. This collapse would only be for a short time.It would soon resume its natural and uncontrolled shape.

Should the Illuminati be given more power?
Yes. They could stabilize our common and bring a higher longterm profit and wealth for all.

If you are wise, you will know that you can know who theIlluminati are and you will also know that you are helping them exist.

The same person that posted a video of Kennedy's speech that argues for an open society, also argues for a dictatorship by a secret society that he claims exists but gives no evidence nor logic for the claim, well....other than insane logic ( )

I wonder what the Illuminati stance is on legalizing drug abuse?


Well, looky here
From a supposed 'expert' on the Illuminati
http://educate-yourself.org/cn/johncolemangoalsofIlluminati.shtml

21 Goals of the Illuminati and The Committee of 300

excerpt:
Number six on their want list

6. To encourage, and eventually legalize the use of drugs and make pornography an "art-form", which will be widely accepted and, eventually, become quite commonplace.

Figures




Family values, anyone?