The Political/ Religious/ Philosophical/ Debate Kind Of PW Thread

[Peter Parka]

Who is denied health care here? Take a look at the wonderful system in the UK where DOCTORS are for denying health care to unhealthy overweight people.

Got less of them here though!

 

[debbie t]

Who is denied health care here? Take a look at the wonderful system in the UK where DOCTORS are for denying health care to unhealthy overweight people.

no one is denied care ,if youre overweight you are given assistance to lose weight to make a procedure safer ie anesthetic etc.


i believe all health care should be free and widely available,ofcourse the drugs companies wont allow that

 

[gLing]

Got less of them here though!

Well god forbid if somebody gets overweight. If so you are not worthy of health care.
Good job with that socialized medicine.

 

[gLing]

no one is denied care ,if youre overweight you are given assistance to lose weight to make a procedure safer ie anesthetic etc.


i believe all health care should be free and widely available,ofcourse the drugs companies wont allow that

Don't treat the old and unhealthy, say doctors - Telegraph

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Okay lemme get this straight.

Here, in the Great Country I call home, it is against the law to commit armed robbery.

So with the logic I present, the folks committing the crimes....Are criminals to begin with.

How do you suppose....Making it illegal to have a firearm will prevent someone who has already made it clear that they have no regards for laws, stop using guns?

That's insane logic to think that making firearms illegal will stop someone with no regards for a law to begin with. Now you're just preventing the law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves.

 

[Peter Parka]

Well god forbid if somebody gets overweight. If so you are not worthy of health care.
Good job with that socialized medicine.

Yeah, it's rather shit, still don't have to worry about whether I can afford it or not though. On this subject, I actually thought for one moment you were trying to put together a good and reasonable arguement but then you came in with your cheap shots again. If you just want to do that, bring it on. I can do them much better than you. I would prefer to have a sensible and reasonable debate though.

 

[Peter Parka]

Okay lemme get this straight.

Here, in the Great Country I call home, it is against the law to commit armed robbery.

So with the logic I present, the folks committing the crimes....Are criminals to begin with.

How do you suppose....Making it illegal to have a firearm will prevent someone who has already made it clear that they have no regards for laws, stop using guns?

That's insane logic to think that making firearms illegal will stop someone with no regards for a law to begin with. Now you're just preventing the law abiding citizens from being able to protect themselves.

I've already argued this case in plenty of other threads so to save me going over the same stuff, do a search here for them. Good to see someone putting together a well thought out and reasonable arguement though.:nod:

 

[debbie t]

did you actually read that ??i mean read it for what it is.it is based on an article i a bloody magazine not government policy,smokers ,drinkers and the obese are given extremely expensive treatment so they can become nonsmokers ,less obese etc before procedures.

james was upset a few weeks ago ,he needs a dentists help and cant afford it...i had root canal treatment by a specialist who mapped my nerves for future reference ...for free


the telegraph like the guardian and the times are of paticular political persuasions and no one would read them in isolation here

 

[gLing]

Yeah, it's rather shit, still don't have to worry about whether I can afford it or not though. On this subject, I actually thought for one moment you were trying to put together a good and reasonable arguement but then you came in with your cheap shots again. If you just want to do that, bring it on. I can do them much better than you. I would prefer to have a sensible and reasonable debate though.

Let you in on a little secret. Poor people do not have to worry about health care here either.
Cheap shots? Please. If I was taking cheap shots you would know.
Just because I think your arguments are silly and poorly thought out does not mean I take cheap shots at you.

 

[gLing]

did you actually read that ??i mean read it for what it is.it is based on an article i a bloody magazine not government policy,smokers ,drinkers and the obese are given extremely expensive treatment so they can become nonsmokers ,less obese etc before procedures.

james was upset a few weeks ago ,he needs a dentists help and cant afford it...i had root canal treatment by a specialist who mapped my nerves for future reference ...for free


the telegraph like the guardian and the times are of paticular political persuasions and no one would read them in isolation here

Are you saying it is a load of crap?

 

[Peter Parka]

Let you in on a little secret. Poor people do not have to worry about health care here either.

I guess you think a lot of well known members on this forum are liars then.:smiley24:

 

[gLing]

I guess you think a lot of well known members on this forum are liars then.:smiley24:

I guess the many public clinics are lies and being poor myself some how managed a expensive surgery that had nothing to do with my health.

 

[debbie t]

Are you saying it is a load of crap?

no im saying it has to be read properly and in context of what it is.
its a politically biased newspaper reporting an article from a magazine which has nothing to do with the government ,the NHS or the BMA.
so what relevance is that?it is not fact.
government policy and party manifesto are fact,the BMA and their guidelines are fact .

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I'm telling you all, if the US wants to fix healthcare here, they will regulate the insurance companies and hospitals.

The government needs to step in and tell the insurance companies, who btw have no other marketplace for health insurance because we are on of the few countries that has nedical insurance, regardless, the government needs to tell them the next time a child with leukemia dies because the insurance company denied a claim for treatment, someone is going to get locked away, they will start coughing up dough.

You don't add government, you fix the problems with what you have in place.

The real issue is a hospital charging $35 for a band-aid, that's the issue, the issue is back charging a patient whos insurance will only pay 25% of a bill they are being paid to cover to begin with.

That's the problem, we have to decide if we are willing to lose our homes because AETNA or another one like them will only pay $25 for open heart surgery or something rediculous like that.

Start breaking legs and jailing insurance company claims people and they will start greenlighting the claims.

BTW the estimated net worth in liquid assets of combined American insurance companies is....Ready for this

3 trillion dollars.......Trillion.....That's fucking TRILLION.

They need to pay for the service they get compensated for. Bottom line.

And the next time an American Veteran has to right a congressman to get care from a system developed for the care of VETERANS....Someone needs to lose a job...Period.

 

[gLing]

no im saying it has to be read properly and in context of what it is.
its a politically biased newspaper reporting an article from a magazine which has nothing to do with the government ,the NHS or the BMA.
so what relevance is that?it is not fact.
government policy and party manifesto are fact,the BMA and their guidelines are fact .

A magazine that has nothing to do with government is more likely to be accurate yes?

 

[debbie t]

I'm telling you all, if the US wants to fix healthcare here, they will regulate the insurance companies and hospitals.

The government needs to step in and tell the insurance companies, who btw have no other marketplace for health insurance because we are on of the few countries that has nedical insurance, regardless, the government needs to tell them the next time a child with leukemia dies because the insurance company denied a claim for treatment, someone is going to get locked away, they will start coughing up dough.

You don't add government, you fix the problems with what you have in place.

The real issue is a hospital charging $35 for a band-aid, that's the issue, the issue is back charging a patient whos insurance will only pay 25% of a bill they are being paid to cover to begin with.

That's the problem, we have to decide if we are willing to lose our homes because AETNA or another one like them will only pay $25 for open heart surgery or something rediculous like that.

Start breaking legs and jailing insurance company claims people and they will start greenlighting the claims.

BTW the estimated net worth in liquid assets of combined American insurance companies is....Ready for this

3 trillion dollars.......Trillion.....That's fucking TRILLION.

They need to pay for the service they get compensated for. Bottom line.

And the next time an American Veteran has to right a congressman to get care from a system developed for the care of VETERANS....Someone needs to lose a job...Period.

i do love it when youre forceful

healthcare insurance should pay for healthcare not a percentage of.
i dont understand how insurers can have this monopoly and the profit from that???
a bandaid isnt just a bandaid its the cleaner the electricity the receptionist etc..

and ive really got to go to bed

 

[debbie t]

A magazine that has nothing to do with government is more likely to be accurate yes?

ruling bodies as mentioned have to stand on their rules .
our government is elected on a manifesto which has to be stood for..hence correct and real

magazines ,the internet etc wuill say anything of bias.

itn requires the intelligent person to read it for what irt is and to understand the full picture not to simply be directed by rhetoric and sensationalism/

 

[All Else Failed]

I just think the fact that the American health care system is the WORST on the entire planet among first world countries is sort of ironic.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

I just think the fact that the American health care system is the WORST on the entire planet among first world countries is sort of ironic.

Because it has gone for the most part un-checked. Folks still fly in here in droves to go to the Medical Center in Houston, MD Anderson, Texas Childrens Hospital, Shrine Burn Center.

On the whole they do a lot of good. It's the system that's broken, not the ability to heal people.

 

[DavyBoy]

I thought the point of post whoring threads was to post random, pointless shit, not engage in serious intelligent debate!

Shame on you all