The Official Gun Lovers Thread

[retro]

The horrid grouping around the clown's axe is mostly from using a Springfield Arms XD-9, fucking POS, Croatian crap. I didn't think I could meet a worst 9mm than the 9mm Beretta the USAF issues.

I can't say that I was super impressed with the original XD series, the XDM's on the other hand are very nice weapons.

 

[Joe the meek]

I stand corrected, it was 30 yards. I mis-heard the range master when I asked (full ear protection, so imagine that. :sarcasm).

Now I'm beginning to wonder...you should know the difference between 30 and 50 yards, particularly using a sidearm

Still good grouping though, particularly since you probably weren't using "high quality" ammo.

For the hearing, get yourself a set of electronic muffs. You'll be amazed. I used a bunch of Cabela's points to pick up a bunch of these

http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2HLR01526-1.html

Everyone loves them shooting around the house. It's nice to hear everyone talk without having to take muffs off.

 

[dt3]

Under pain of divorce, I'm legally not allowed to spend any more time looking at Cheaper Than Dirt...

 

[Sneakiecat]

You can look, you just can't buy.

 

[dt3]

That being said, I'm considering one of these: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2FN3108929142-1.html?utm_source=EmailDirect.com&utm_medium=Email&utm_campaign=Commodity+-+2-21+Campaign

They're discontinuing the 20" heavy barrel. Anybody shot one?

 

[dt3]

You can look, you just can't buy.

Therein lies the problem...

 

[Darrell]

I can't say that I was super impressed with the original XD series, the XDM's on the other hand are very nice weapons.

If that's the latest model, that's what we shot. My buddy just bought it.

 

[retro]

If that's the latest model, that's what we shot. My buddy just bought it.

They sell both model lines still. The XD(M) is newer though, it was released in 2009.

 

[Darrell]

They sell both model lines still. The XD(M) is newer though, it was released in 2009.

Just texted him, XDM.

It's a POS in my opinion. Croatian designed crap.

BUT, if you enjoy it, and can shoot it well, sounds like a good first firearm purchase.

 

[All Else Failed]

I might have the opportunity to buy a Browning hi-power soon-ish


such a solid pistol

 

[Joe the meek]

That being said, I'm considering one of these: http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/2FN3...=Email&utm_campaign=Commodity+-+2-21+Campaign

They're discontinuing the 20" heavy barrel. Anybody shot one?

Nice reliable gun, but I'd stay away from it with a 10' pole due to it's design and what you have to do to field strip it. For myself, the easier it is to field strip it (actually out in the "field") and clean, the better. KISS method can work wonders.

Example

[video=youtube;cLuznnkmy2k]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cLuznnkmy2k[/video]

There is a shop I know that has a Robinson Arms VEPR for sale in .308 for $924 if you're interested.

 

[dt3]

Jesus Christ, thanks for the video, Joe. I had read that disassembly was a pain in the ass, but I truly didn't think it would be that horrible! That's bad enough to be a deal breaker for me, that guy knew what he was doing and it still took 5 minutes...that being said, I'll pass on the VEPR. I just can't bring myself to want any sort of AK variant, even in .308. What intrigued me most about the FNAR was the sub-MOA promised straight out of the box. I doubt I could shoot it that well, but I sure would love to try.

 

[Joe the meek]

My buddy has one of those FN's you asked about. Like I said, nice gun, but when I asked him if I could take it apart and he said "sure", after I started to strip it I KNEW I wasn't going to be buying one LOL

Long time ago I was over anal retentive about loading and long range shooting. Over time, I figured out that being that anal took the fun out of shooting for me.

The only way I can shoot sub MOA nowadays (5 rounds) is with a scope using hand loaded ammo (or high dollar quality ammo). For myself, if I shoot the gun on average more than one round every three seconds, and I can get sub "pie plate" groups at 100 yards, and still put 90% on a 8"x11" paper out to 200 using irons, I'm fine. I'm at that age where I want to shoot tight groups past 200, I'll use a bolt gun.

That VEPR is 9 lbs. It is a pig, but it is accurate. The one I have in 7.62x39 will shoot just as good IMO as any AR variant out to 200 using mil surplus.

Say what you will about the AK design, but the operation is simple and breakdown and cleaning doesn't get any easier.

Do what this guy did with most other semi auto weapons using mags and let me know how well it goes That said, to each their own, and I do understand that.

[video=youtube;20kSnuFLQok]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=20kSnuFLQok[/video]

 

[All Else Failed]

haha love it

 

[dt3]

Now I'm thinking about a Ruger 556, probably the E version since the regular is a little outside what Amber will consent to...any thoughts? Who wants to shoot down my dreams this time?

 

[dt3]

I'm not a huge .223 fan, but there doesn't seem to be many good semi-auto .308s.

 

[Alien Allen]

I have a Smith and Wesson 9mm and 357

Silver and black

been thinking of selling them and getting something else

 

[Darrell]

I have a Smith and Wesson 9mm and 357

Silver and black

been thinking of selling them and getting something else

I highly recommend the Smith and Wesson M&P .40.

 

[Joe the meek]

I'm not a huge .223 fan, but there doesn't seem to be many good semi-auto .308s.

Going with the .223 do you want a DI or piston system of operation?

If the .223 doesn't fit your fancy you could always go with a AR platform based on 6.5 or 6.8

For myself, If I'm going to be throwing a good amount of bullets downrange, I prefer to get a caliber that is relatively cheap to buy by the 1,000 round case.

What is your definition of a "good" semi auto .308? People tend to forget that you have cons with semi autos (hot barrels don't help accuracy most of the times), and IMO those cons tend to increase going with a larger bore gun unless you don't mind spending the money. That's not even taking the mags into consideration. PTR brand and FAL types are another option in that caliber.

Only personal opinion, with a .308, you have some distance to shoot, no problem. However, I've just found that I'd rather load for a .300 Win Mag and take my time shooting longer distances than loading for a .308 and loading up 20 round mags because the ammo goes quicker, at least with me, I've also found, again, only me, that if I take a larger caliber gun out to shoot, if I'm not shooting at least 200 yards minumum, just seems like a waste. Then, if you aren't shooting some quality type ammo, you can be all over the place when you start to push the distance.

If you want a Ruger, cruise the classifieds on the gun boards. Here in NC there was a Ruger 556 that a guy wanted to unload (LNIB) for $1,000 shipped, and it was the newer model, not the "E" (seems in the short time Ruger has had this model out there, they have had multiple models). My understanding is their first model had some issues with cleaning, but Ruger never interested me in a black rifle, so I never really looked into it.

Just remember, a $400 rifle can shoot just as good as a $1,400 one. Comes down to what you want to make work, and practice, practice and more practice never hurts LOL Then again, you can spend money and go in circles. Been there, done that LOL

 

[retro]

I'm thinking about heading up to the range in Fresno to try out a Beretta PX4 Storm alongside the XD(M). I've heard a lot of good things about it, and the compact version would be outstanding for CCW.