The Morality of Dishonesty

[Stone]

Some more details to Makran's bad loans:

http://unpan1.un.org/intradoc/groups/public/documents/apcity/unpan017762~1.htm

The BoK management says the infection ratio is the result of some bad loans given out in the past that included a Rs1.2 billion loan to Makran Fisheries and Rs450 million to Pakistan Exports. Both loans were allegedly given on small securities. The case of Makran Fisheries has now been sent to the National Accountability Bureau while the case regarding Pakistan Exports is under process. Both loans were given out in 1996-1997.

 

[Stone]

Just to clear up any misunderstandings....

Mr Butt's Mekran Fisheries and Makran Fisheries not only share the same address, they share a telephone number and a fax number.

9221-111456456 / 2311242 / 2311240 / 2311241 / 2311268
Fax: 9221-2310923

http://www.mekranfisheriespvtltd.enic.pk/


http://www.ecosecretariat.org/ECOTr...d_products/Demand_Supply_Surveys/Pakistan.doc
(do a word search of this document for "Makran"

0092-21-2311240 -3Fax 0092-21-2310923

 

[Stone]

mazHur.......aren't you at least going to deny this?

 

[The Man]

"We risked our lives for $1 million, while the bank's management robbed two million dollars without blinking? Maybe its better to learn how to work the system, instead of being a simple robber."

Yessss...working the system.

 

[Stone]

Yessss...working the system.

Like those bank loans, stiff the bank and get the willful defaults forgiven.

 

[Stone]

Interesting turn of events.

http://pakistanthinktank.org/pakist...s-list-no-1-defaulter-euro-gulf-enterprises-2

LIST OF FINANCIAL TERRORISTS IN PAKISTAN: PAKISTAN’S STATE BANK LOAN DEFAULTERS LIST

Mekran Fisheries is listed as a financial terrorist........like we didn't already suspect.

Mekran Fisheries 960.12 ( debt in million Rs)

SHAME ON THE CORRUPT CHIEF JUSTICE OF PAKISTAN WHO HAS NOT PROSECUTED A SINGLE DEFAULTER OF NOTE,EXCEPT SOME MINOR WEAKLINGS.



The State Bank of Pakistan presented a list of loan defaulters before the Supreme Court on Wednesday October 20, 2010.

NOTHING HAPPENED SO FAR THESE THIEVES ARE WALKING FREE IN US ,EUROPE & EVEN PAKISTAN

THEY ARE CAREFREE AND CAN BUY EVERY INSTITUTION IN PAKISTAN INCLUDING THE SUPREME COURT WHICH HAS SO FAR NOT PROSECUTED A SINGLE ONE OF THE KEY DEFAULTER

If mazHur hadn't started this thread, I wouldn't have thought of checking out Mekran closer.

 

[The Man]

There seems to be an unhappy public in pk for sure.

 

[Stone]

There seems to be an unhappy public in pk for sure.

Indeed.

Found this article you might find interesting:
dated Dec 2009

http://www.aaj.tv/2009/12/over-2358-beneficiaries-rs-60-billion-loans-written-off-in-musharraf-era/

Over 2,358 people had got Rs 60 billion loans, taken from different banks and financial institutions, written off during Pervez Musharraf regime (1999 to 2008). Those who got benefited included politicians, retired generals and businessmen as National Bank of Pakistan had written off Rs 23.594 billion of 1,086 people.

Oddly, Makran is listed, but at a lesser amount than previously posted in other articles.

written off during Pervez Musharraf regime (1999 to 2008)

Just note the time frame., that's inclusive of the payoff to Atta.

Gotta wonder how many of those write offs were payback for political support?

 

[The Man]

With such a culture I think it is very plausible as a high percentage of the population live by ideals many centuries old...While corruption exists in all cultures IMO...IMO the cultures that live by the sword such as PK will have corruption and dishonesty at all levels.
It has already been established for instance that much of the US aid to PK was given away rather than build up safer installments for the warheads that PK possesses.

 

[Stone]

With such a culture I think it is very plausible as a high percentage of the population live by ideals many centuries old...While corruption exists in all cultures IMO...IMO the cultures that live by the sword such as PK will have corruption and dishonesty at all levels.
It has already been established for instance that much of the US aid to PK was given away rather than build up safer installments for the warheads that PK possesses.

While corruption exists in all cultures

Agreed.....IMO, the US bank bailouts and GM bankruptcy certainly had questionable issues.
But debt forgiveness without bankruptcy proceedings, in the US isn't common, especially with individuals.

 

[Stone]

update:


Under the advice of council, I've revalued several of the links posted and found enough questionable that hadn't been realized before, to post that mazHur is not who I thought he was and is innocent of anything I might have implied.

I've also been advised to leave this forum and web site.

I'll post a similar message in another thread.


Good bye
Jack Stone.

 

[porterjack]

shame

 

[mazHur]

mazHur........did your lawyer advise you to avoid this thread?



What a joke!!

 

[mazHur]

Nobel laureates call for arms embargo on Israel
Some sixty-four public figures, including seven Nobel Peace Prize winners, have called for an international arms embargo on Israel for its “war crimes and possible crimes against humanity” in Gaza. The call came following Israeli attacks on Gaza that killed more than 500 Palestinians, most of them civilians including women and children.


(ha ha. won't happen! why have they woken up now?)

 

[The Man]

Actually they need to take the weapons away from the other side...then we wont have this problem.
Remember Israel is reacting to attacks and not the aggressor...If the freaks would stop shooting rockets at Israel there wouldn't be a problem.

I have asked this question before but havent got a response.
Why is it that if Israel kills "citizens" its terrorism.
When Gaza intentionally targets civilians it isnt?
Also Israel wears uniforms like men...your terrorists buddies dont.
Your terrorist buddies hide among the women and children as shields.
Your freak buddies could strike the military alone as Israel has its military defined.
Therefore there is no excuse for your freak buddies to intentionally target civilians.
Why dont you fly a kite over to your freak buddies and tell them to put on a uniform like men..and make their location known so there can be a "peaceful war"
I really get annoyed when terrorist supporters such as yourself condone the actions of terrorist and whine when the victims fight back...screaming "its not fair".
You are a terrorist supporter who lives in shit hole culture...you know nothing else.
You maz are the perfect example as to why there is no hope of any peaceful co existence between the cultures.
Hell your nation alone has over 60 documented terrorist organizations..you claim there is even more.
To further your nation also provides reservations for them to reside on and live and outside the law of its host.
Your country supports terrorism.
You support terrorism.
Many nations on your side of the globe support terrorism...terrorist groups and numbers are rising fast.....IMO we need to get ww3 started and over with..any nation that supports terrorism needs to be cratered.
There are no innocent within these nations...you are the perfect example ..the common citizens of these places support terrorism.
Your religions tells you ..its what you should do.

 

[mazHur]

Actually they need to take the weapons away from the other side...then we wont have this problem.
Remember Israel is reacting to attacks and not the aggressor...If the freaks would stop shooting rockets at Israel there wouldn't be a problem.

I have asked this question before but havent got a response.
Why is it that if Israel kills "citizens" its terrorism.
When Gaza intentionally targets civilians it isnt?
Also Israel wears uniforms like men...your terrorists buddies dont.
Your terrorist buddies hide among the women and children as shields.
Your freak buddies could strike the military alone as Israel has its military defined.
Therefore there is no excuse for your freak buddies to intentionally target civilians.
Why dont you fly a kite over to your freak buddies and tell them to put on a uniform like men..and make their location known so there can be a "peaceful war"
I really get annoyed when terrorist supporters such as yourself condone the actions of terrorist and whine when the victims fight back...screaming "its not fair".
You are a terrorist supporter who lives in shit hole culture...you know nothing else.
You maz are the perfect example as to why there is no hope of any peaceful co existence between the cultures.
Hell your nation alone has over 60 documented terrorist organizations..you claim there is even more.
To further your nation also provides reservations for them to reside on and live and outside the law of its host.
Your country supports terrorism.
You support terrorism.
Many nations on your side of the globe support terrorism...terrorist groups and numbers are rising fast.....IMO we need to get ww3 started and over with..any nation that supports terrorism needs to be cratered.
There are no innocent within these nations...you are the perfect example ..the common citizens of these places support terrorism.
Your religions tells you ..its what you should do.

Freedom fighters don't need to wear uniforms...they are not paid mercenaries like the fat uniformed ones.

Bombing and killing innocent unarmed civilians is cowardice...
Being strong doesn't mean you go our breaking everybody's nose over small altercations or scuffles. Israel boasts to be a cuntry but not behaving like one.. This is the reason the world conscience has been aroused and almost all civilized people and countries are condemning Israel ,,,
Israel is an occupier,,,the Palestinians believe ,,,the world believes,,it also believes that Israel is an American baby!!

Terrorists are those who kill innocent unarmed people...and Israel is exactly doing the same.

 

[The Man]

Thousands upon thousands of rockets fired into Israel is not a small scuffle.
your terrorist buddies do just that....if they think the land is theirs ...then suit up and attack Israel in a military fashion...rather than being pussies and firing rockets at its people.
You are a pussy terrorist supporter.

 

[mazHur]

Thousands upon thousands of rockets fired into Israel is not a small scuffle.
your terrorist buddies do just that....if they think the land is theirs ...then suit up and attack Israel in a military fashion...rather than being pussies and firing rockets at its people.
You are a pussy terrorist supporter.

So you want them to start a proper war? Shame on you!

You know, in fact all know, Israel is America's baby and if Palestinians declared a formal war on Israel they would be beaten up with America and other Zionist supporting factors,,,
That is bullshit...
after all freedom fighters have been driving enemies through guerilla wars too...until some other strong force joins them ..to fight.

In the present case israel is killing innocent children ,,,bombing hospitals and civilian homes...that is Murder...and Israel is committing heinous acts the same as those committed by the terrorists...so who is the terrorist? Israel, the illegal occupier of Palestinian land and a bully, rogue state.

Modern SCience has discovered via Hobble that billions of galaxies exist in the universe,,,,and all are lying vacant. I think the israelis and their kind have a good chance to move therre ,,,they will not only find peace there but would stay near God to be more safe.

You cannot shoot a person if he simply throws a stone at you...But Israel is exactly doing what an insane person would do.

 

[mazHur]

Thousands upon thousands of rockets fired into Israel is not a small scuffle.
your terrorist buddies do just that....if they think the land is theirs ...then suit up and attack Israel in a military fashion...rather than being pussies and firing rockets at its people.
You are a pussy terrorist supporter.

They cannot be expected to throw flowers at them,,,


How much worse do things have to get in Israel before they get better? More then 500 Palestinians have now died in the two-week conflict and Israel says 18 of its soldiers have been killed along with two civilians. The question is how long is this going to go on before the two sides strike a cease-fire? Secretary of State John Kerry and the U.N.'s Ban Ki-Moon are in Cairo today to try to bring the two sides to the table after a weekend of terrible violence.


Sunday was the deadliest day in Gaza, reports The NYT's Anne Barnard and Isabel Kershner: "The mayhem began in the early hours of Sunday morning in Shejaiya, an eastern neighborhood of Gaza City, where Israeli forces battled with Hamas militants ... At least 60 Palestinians and 13 Israeli soldiers and officers were killed in Shejaiya alone, and the shattered neighborhood was quickly becoming a new symbol of the long-running Israeli-Palestinian conflict, underlining the rising cost of this latest Gaza war." More here.


U.N. Secretary Ban Ki-Moon calls the attack on Shejaiya 'an atrocious action':During a press conference alongside Qatari Foreign Minister Khaled al-Attiya, Ban said, "While I was en route to Doha, dozens more civilians, including children, have been killed in Israeli military strikes in the Shejaiyah neighborhood in Gaza. I condemn this atrocious action. Israel must exercise maximum restraint and do far more to protect civilians."


Still, the shelling continued through Sunday night and into this morning. Reuters' Nidal al-Mughrabi and Crispian Balmer: "Israeli forces killed at least 10 Palestinian militants on Monday after they crossed the border from Gaza through two tunnels, the military said, as the death toll from the two-week conflict passed 500.With the U.N. Security Council calling for an immediate ceasefire, Israeli jets and tanks continued to pound the Gaza Strip through the night." More here.

NB: banki moonh is said to have gone to Isreal and not Palestinians ....to talk abot ending mutual hostilities..
why>>?? Because Isreal is a spoiled baby of America!!

 

[mazHur]

Neither Israel nor Hamas can win in Gaza


http://www.foreignpolicy.com/articl...ort&utm_campaign=2014_Situation Report#latest


-- Hamas's rocket capabilities are straightforward, but unachievable unless the country were to fully reoccupy Gaza and reverse the "unilateral disengagement" enacted by Israeli Prime Minister Ariel Sharon in 2005. Foreign Minister Avigdor Lieberman hascalled for such a reoccupation, but Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu dismissed these ideas as "background noise." There appears to be no real possibility that Israel's military will once again police the streets of Gaza as an army of direct occupation. Under such circumstances, even given the significant ground operations launched on Thursday, all Israel can really do is single out stores of rockets, secure or demolish launching sites, destroy tunnel infrastructure, and target the homes and offices of Hamas officials and members