The Morality of Dishonesty
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I’m not suggesting you go look at the pictures, as opening that Pandora’s box is a very personal choice. What I’m saying is that we need people confronting death and confronting these big questions as we enter death’s new frontier. If you did see the pictures, it’s OK to feel gross, disturbed, angry. I just ask you to use those feelings. The corpses themselves are not scary, how they became corpses is scary. Don’t let the photos make you afraid of dying, let them make you afraid of how we’re living.
Caitlin Doughty is a licensed mortician and writer living in Los Angeles. She is the founder of The Order of the Good Death and the host of the “Ask a Mortician” webseries. Follow on Twitter at @TheGoodDeath.
Caitlin Doughty is a licensed mortician and writer living in Los Angeles. She is the founder of The Order of the Good Death and the host of the “Ask a Mortician” webseries. Follow on Twitter at @TheGoodDeath.
Is that not what hamas been doing for the last several years...you still refuse to respond as to why that is not terrorism,,but Israel is.
You support Hamas,,,a known terrorist organization..you are a terrorist supporter...you have had dozens of opportunities to admit what hamas is doing is wrong...but you say they are in the right by terrorizing Israel.
Your thread is serving me well by the way...thats why I like for you to stick around....although its like pulling teeth...you do give us a peek inside the minds of of those stuck in the 14 century
Well yes..I feel the same for dead jews as well...its just wrong its that simple....thing is maz religious hate for the most part is gone..Islam cant quit however..for the Jews refused to accept Mohammed as a prophet so he started to slaughter them.
See maz most religions as their book carry on end in peace...yours is the other way around...Kill those that leave Islam..Kill those that doubt islam..Kill those that refuse to convert....and those fucking jews hey maz..they really pissed off your prophet..as the jews decided to remain Jews rather than accept him as a prophet ..they were slaughtered as a result..Anyone who doubts the prophet must die..and there will be no prophets after him...Jews didnt convert as they are not human..they are pigs and apes a product of evil....they must be killed...and here we are several centuries later doing just that...We cant doubt the Qur'an either or we must die.
Its ok Maz I understand..I really do...but you need to be a fucking man about it..you need to act more like an Iranian about it and tell it like it is...they dont try to hide it..Fuck up over there and you have problems..but they are not going to lie to the world about what they will do to you,,,same with SA...although I may not approve I can respect that.
Be real maz...if you are ashamed to tell it like it really is then you are a coward and a disgrace to Islam....you are encouraged to lie to protect Islam yes...but since the jew is the enemy maz by not being honest you actually are not protecting Islam..You are a disgrace to Islam because you wont tell some punk ass American on the internet that Jews need to be slaughtered..How can you be uspet with someone for not wanting to slaughter Jews too when you arent even honest about it...As said..tell us we may agree..either way you have lost nothing and may actually get some support...you will gain more respect for sure.
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I can't even spell Hamaas properly. How could I be their supporter?
I hate Israel for butchering women and children ,,,eventhough they were in a sanctuary provided them by the UN.
which means you don't have regard for anyone,,,no one.
what a shameless inhuman butcher you are
Muslims kill no one....except enemies in war
It is major sin in Islam to kill innocent childrren, women,,older and ill men,,,even during the war..
but it seems it is just right with you, the Juice!!!
His Name Was Ahed Zaqout: Former Palestinian Soccer Star Killed in Gaza
Dave Zirin on August 1, 2014 - 5:42 PM ET
This country[ izrael] publicly shamed Donald Sterling for racism in the sports world. So why should we stand by a country that killed an athlete because of his race?
[img src="http://www.thenation.com/sites/defa..._node_view_image/palestine_soccer_fan_img.jpg" alt="Palestine soccer fans" title="
" class="imagecache imagecache-main_node_view_image" height="400" width="615">
Palestinians cheer as they watch their team play in the AFC Cup final. (Reuters/Mohammed Salem)
All it took was a recording of Donald Sterling insulting Magic Johnson in a derogatory manner for the twenty-four-hour news world to stop on its axis. Now imagine if Donald Sterling—in all of his paranoid, racist fervor—had an army at his disposal and bombed Magic Johnson in his home, killing him in his sleep.
If such a scenario sounds like hacky Phillip K. Dick fan fiction as written by Mike Lupica, then you have not been paying attention to the dystopian, genocidal panorama in Gaza, where no one is safe. You are unfamiliar with the name Ahed Zaqout.
Ahed Zaqout was a 49-year-old sportscaster and television host in Gaza, a national sports voice for a people without a nation. Two decades ago, he was a soccer star: the midfielder for the Palestinian national soccer team. On Wednesday, he was killed in his bed by the bombs of the Israeli Defense Forces.
As Gaza sports journalist Khaled Zaher told Reuters, “Palestine has lost one of its best players, he may have been the best midfielder we ever had.”
Based on the description and reports of the bombing, it is doubtful that his was a pinpoint assassination. Far more likely, Zaqout was a victim of Netanyahu’s mania for total war—a mania that makes my earlier Donald Sterling comparison frankly insulting to Mr. Sterling. But if he was in fact targeted, it would be yet another example of the ways in which Israel has attacked the soccer community of Gaza as a way to choke any respite or relief that the people could possibly possess.
Soccer is about people feeling a sense of collective joy and hope. It creates scenes, like the ones in earlier this year—it feels like a lifetime ago—of thousands of people on the Gaza beach celebrating the ascension of their national team.
Attacking soccer is about attacking these very national aspirations. It’s the inhumane act targeting a collective expression of humanity.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/18087...Nation 2014-08-04&newsletter=headline_nation#
Dave Zirin on August 1, 2014 - 5:42 PM ET
This country[ izrael] publicly shamed Donald Sterling for racism in the sports world. So why should we stand by a country that killed an athlete because of his race?
[img src="http://www.thenation.com/sites/defa..._node_view_image/palestine_soccer_fan_img.jpg" alt="Palestine soccer fans" title="
" class="imagecache imagecache-main_node_view_image" height="400" width="615">
Palestinians cheer as they watch their team play in the AFC Cup final. (Reuters/Mohammed Salem)
All it took was a recording of Donald Sterling insulting Magic Johnson in a derogatory manner for the twenty-four-hour news world to stop on its axis. Now imagine if Donald Sterling—in all of his paranoid, racist fervor—had an army at his disposal and bombed Magic Johnson in his home, killing him in his sleep.
If such a scenario sounds like hacky Phillip K. Dick fan fiction as written by Mike Lupica, then you have not been paying attention to the dystopian, genocidal panorama in Gaza, where no one is safe. You are unfamiliar with the name Ahed Zaqout.
Ahed Zaqout was a 49-year-old sportscaster and television host in Gaza, a national sports voice for a people without a nation. Two decades ago, he was a soccer star: the midfielder for the Palestinian national soccer team. On Wednesday, he was killed in his bed by the bombs of the Israeli Defense Forces.
As Gaza sports journalist Khaled Zaher told Reuters, “Palestine has lost one of its best players, he may have been the best midfielder we ever had.”
Based on the description and reports of the bombing, it is doubtful that his was a pinpoint assassination. Far more likely, Zaqout was a victim of Netanyahu’s mania for total war—a mania that makes my earlier Donald Sterling comparison frankly insulting to Mr. Sterling. But if he was in fact targeted, it would be yet another example of the ways in which Israel has attacked the soccer community of Gaza as a way to choke any respite or relief that the people could possibly possess.
Soccer is about people feeling a sense of collective joy and hope. It creates scenes, like the ones in earlier this year—it feels like a lifetime ago—of thousands of people on the Gaza beach celebrating the ascension of their national team.
Attacking soccer is about attacking these very national aspirations. It’s the inhumane act targeting a collective expression of humanity.
http://www.thenation.com/blog/18087...Nation 2014-08-04&newsletter=headline_nation#
Bullshit..it is what the Taliban AQ and Hamas all do...all devout Muslims.,,and you approve of every fucking bit of it..as you demand to let the terrorist be..you approve of govt appointed reservations for terrorists in PK..you approve of AQ and want them left alone.
You approve of Hamas,that they have fired thousands of rockets at the Jews in Israel..You disapprove of Israel fighting back..You have disapproved of any group or person fighting back against terrorists...You refer to Jews as Bigfoots...following the Islamic hate for them as "apes"
You are a terrorist lover Maz who is filled with hate for any and all of its targets...you troll the internet as a propaganda machine presenting one lie after another to justify the actions of terrorists...in a round about way you are a terrorist as you aid terrorists by trying to influence the pubic that what they are doing is right and moral...you have the mind of a terrorist and are very emotional if any harm comes to them...during the last several months you have made this very clear..Its like you are one of the family....The more you post the more it shows.
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I live in the United States not Israel....I would support any nation that had thousands of rockets fired at it for no reason other than their religious association.
Living in the United states doesn't give you the blanket to support the tyrant Israel whom even you own country has vehemently condemned for bombing on schools and hospitals run under their auspices and killing innocent women and children.
You talk like a terrorist, a biased person against human beings.....you ought to be ashamed of yerselves/
There are Muslims and Christians too living in the US.....would your statement justify your droning of innocent persons by you just because they belong to their faith and demand what their faith required them to do??
You are a religious bigot having No empathy for human beings.....
Israel is a blot on the face of nations...it is a terrorist state carved out of Palestinian land and patronized by the US...and it's associates.
Read you own newspapers and keep updated for on going events.
In Gaza, there was supposed to be a seven-hour pause in Israel’s operations Monday, beginning at 10 a.m. Israel called the unilateral cease-fire after an Israeli airstrike that killed at least 10 people outside a United Nations-run school in southern Gaza received harsh international condemnation. The strike Sunday marked the seventh attack on or near a U.N. school sheltering refugees.
. Tit-for-tat killings of Jewish and Arab teenagers helped trigger the current round of violence, and residents said they worried that the stage had been set for more bloodshed.
“This is the spark of war,” said Fadi Siniora, 24, an Arab resident and chef at a hotel
.By Griff Witte and Sudarsan Raghavan August 5 at 1:15 A74777
. Tit-for-tat killings of Jewish and Arab teenagers helped trigger the current round of violence, and residents said they worried that the stage had been set for more bloodshed.
“This is the spark of war,” said Fadi Siniora, 24, an Arab resident and chef at a hotel
.By Griff Witte and Sudarsan Raghavan August 5 at 1:15 A74777
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What if it had been 35 Palestinian dead, and 800 Israeli?
By Robert Fisk
Published Jul 28, 2014 06:45am
.— File photo
Impunity is the word that comes to mind. Eight hundred dead Palestinians.
Eight hundred. That’s infinitely more than twice the total dead of flight MH17 over Ukraine. And if you refer only to the “innocent” dead — i.e. no Hamas fighters, young sympathisers or corrupt Hamas officials, with whom the Israelis will, in due course, have to talk — then the women and children and elderly who have been slaughtered in Gaza are still well over the total number of MH17 victims.
And there’s something very odd, isn’t there, about our reactions to these two outrageous death tolls. In Gaza, we plead for a ceasefire but let them bury their dead in the sweltering slums of Gaza and cannot even open a humanitarian route for the wounded.
For the passengers on MH17, we demand — immediately — proper burial and care for the relatives of the dead. We curse those who left bodies lying in the fields of eastern Ukraine — as many bodies have been lying, for a shorter time, perhaps, but under an equally oven-like sky, in Gaza.
Because — and this has been creeping up on me for years — we don’t care so much about the Palestinians, do we? We care neither about Israeli culpability, which is far greater because of the larger number of civilians the Israeli army has killed. Nor, for that matter, Hamas’s capability. Of course, God forbid that the figures should have been the other way round.
If 800 Israelis had died and only 35 Palestinians, I think I know our reaction.
We would call it — rightly — a slaughter, an atrocity, a crime for which the killers must be made accountable. Yes, Hamas should be made accountable, too.
But why is it that the only criminals we are searching for today are the men who fired one — perhaps two — missiles at an airliner over Ukraine? If Israel’s dead equalled those of the Palestinians — and let me repeat, thank heavens this is not the case — I suspect that the Americans would be offering all military support to an Israel endangered by “Iranian-backed terrorists”.
We would be demanding that Hamas hand over the monsters who fired rockets at Israel and who are, by the way, trying to hit aircraft at Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport. But we are not doing this. Because those who have died are mostly Palestinians.
More questions. What’s the limit for Palestinian deaths before we have a ceasefire? Eight hundred? Or 8,000? Could we have a scorecard? The exchange rate for dead? Or would we just wait until our gorge rises at the blood and say enough — even for Israel’s war, enough is enough. It’s not as if we have not been through all this before.
From the massacre of Arab villagers by Israel’s new army in 1948, as it is set down by Israeli historians, to the Sabra and Shatila massacre, when Lebanese Christian allies of Israel murdered up to 1,700 people in 1982 while Israeli troops watched; from the Qana massacre of Lebanese Arabs at the UN base — yes, the UN again — in 1996, to another, smaller terrible killing at Qana (again) 10 years later. And so to the mass killing of civilians in the 2008-9 Gaza war. And after Sabra and Shatila, there were inquiries, and after Qana there was an inquiry and after Gaza in 2008-9, there was an inquiry. Don’t we remember the weight of it, somewhat lightened of course when Judge Goldstone did his best to disown it, when — according to my Israeli friends — he came under intense personal pressure?
In other words, we have been here before. The claim that only “terrorists” are to blame for those whom Hamas kills and only “terrorists” are to blame for those whom Israel kills (Hamas “terrorists”, of course). And the constant claim, repeated over and over and over, that Israel has the highest standards of any army in the world and would never hurt civilians. I recall here the 17,500 dead of Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon, most of whom were civilians.
Have we forgotten all this?
And apart from impunity, the word stupidity comes to mind. I will forget here the corrupt Arabs and the killers of Isis and the wholesale mass murderers of Iraq and Syria. Perhaps their indifference to “Palestine” is to be expected.
They do not claim to represent our values. But what do we make of John Kerry, Obama’s Secretary of State, who told us last week that the “underlying issues” of the Israeli-Palestinian war need to be addressed? What on earth was he doing all last year when he claimed he was going to produce a Middle East peace in 12 months? Doesn’t he realise why the Palestinians are in Gaza?
The truth is that many hundreds of thousands of people around the world — I wish I could say millions — want an end to this impunity, an end to phrases such as “disproportionate casualties”. Disproportionate to what? Brave Israelis also feel this way. They write about it. Long live the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. Meanwhile, the Arab, Muslim world becomes wilder with anger. And we will pay the price
By Robert Fisk
Published Jul 28, 2014 06:45am
.— File photo
Impunity is the word that comes to mind. Eight hundred dead Palestinians.
Eight hundred. That’s infinitely more than twice the total dead of flight MH17 over Ukraine. And if you refer only to the “innocent” dead — i.e. no Hamas fighters, young sympathisers or corrupt Hamas officials, with whom the Israelis will, in due course, have to talk — then the women and children and elderly who have been slaughtered in Gaza are still well over the total number of MH17 victims.
And there’s something very odd, isn’t there, about our reactions to these two outrageous death tolls. In Gaza, we plead for a ceasefire but let them bury their dead in the sweltering slums of Gaza and cannot even open a humanitarian route for the wounded.
For the passengers on MH17, we demand — immediately — proper burial and care for the relatives of the dead. We curse those who left bodies lying in the fields of eastern Ukraine — as many bodies have been lying, for a shorter time, perhaps, but under an equally oven-like sky, in Gaza.
Because — and this has been creeping up on me for years — we don’t care so much about the Palestinians, do we? We care neither about Israeli culpability, which is far greater because of the larger number of civilians the Israeli army has killed. Nor, for that matter, Hamas’s capability. Of course, God forbid that the figures should have been the other way round.
If 800 Israelis had died and only 35 Palestinians, I think I know our reaction.
We would call it — rightly — a slaughter, an atrocity, a crime for which the killers must be made accountable. Yes, Hamas should be made accountable, too.
But why is it that the only criminals we are searching for today are the men who fired one — perhaps two — missiles at an airliner over Ukraine? If Israel’s dead equalled those of the Palestinians — and let me repeat, thank heavens this is not the case — I suspect that the Americans would be offering all military support to an Israel endangered by “Iranian-backed terrorists”.
We would be demanding that Hamas hand over the monsters who fired rockets at Israel and who are, by the way, trying to hit aircraft at Tel Aviv’s Ben Gurion airport. But we are not doing this. Because those who have died are mostly Palestinians.
More questions. What’s the limit for Palestinian deaths before we have a ceasefire? Eight hundred? Or 8,000? Could we have a scorecard? The exchange rate for dead? Or would we just wait until our gorge rises at the blood and say enough — even for Israel’s war, enough is enough. It’s not as if we have not been through all this before.
From the massacre of Arab villagers by Israel’s new army in 1948, as it is set down by Israeli historians, to the Sabra and Shatila massacre, when Lebanese Christian allies of Israel murdered up to 1,700 people in 1982 while Israeli troops watched; from the Qana massacre of Lebanese Arabs at the UN base — yes, the UN again — in 1996, to another, smaller terrible killing at Qana (again) 10 years later. And so to the mass killing of civilians in the 2008-9 Gaza war. And after Sabra and Shatila, there were inquiries, and after Qana there was an inquiry and after Gaza in 2008-9, there was an inquiry. Don’t we remember the weight of it, somewhat lightened of course when Judge Goldstone did his best to disown it, when — according to my Israeli friends — he came under intense personal pressure?
In other words, we have been here before. The claim that only “terrorists” are to blame for those whom Hamas kills and only “terrorists” are to blame for those whom Israel kills (Hamas “terrorists”, of course). And the constant claim, repeated over and over and over, that Israel has the highest standards of any army in the world and would never hurt civilians. I recall here the 17,500 dead of Israel’s 1982 invasion of Lebanon, most of whom were civilians.
Have we forgotten all this?
And apart from impunity, the word stupidity comes to mind. I will forget here the corrupt Arabs and the killers of Isis and the wholesale mass murderers of Iraq and Syria. Perhaps their indifference to “Palestine” is to be expected.
They do not claim to represent our values. But what do we make of John Kerry, Obama’s Secretary of State, who told us last week that the “underlying issues” of the Israeli-Palestinian war need to be addressed? What on earth was he doing all last year when he claimed he was going to produce a Middle East peace in 12 months? Doesn’t he realise why the Palestinians are in Gaza?
The truth is that many hundreds of thousands of people around the world — I wish I could say millions — want an end to this impunity, an end to phrases such as “disproportionate casualties”. Disproportionate to what? Brave Israelis also feel this way. They write about it. Long live the Israeli newspaper, Haaretz. Meanwhile, the Arab, Muslim world becomes wilder with anger. And we will pay the price
So maz why do you approve of rocket fire into the Jewish areas of Israel..but disapprove when Israel strikes back?
IMO Israel was way to lenient for way to long in tolerating the attacks from GAZA...They should respond to EVERY rocket as it is fired into Israel and launch an attack every single time...the only way the message will be clear.
Also IMO Israel should use the opportunity they have now to keep hammering away and overthrow the Govt..as Hamas is the govt.... a well recognized terrorist organization..which has stated its mission to eradicate Jews from the earth
IMO Israel was way to lenient for way to long in tolerating the attacks from GAZA...They should respond to EVERY rocket as it is fired into Israel and launch an attack every single time...the only way the message will be clear.
Also IMO Israel should use the opportunity they have now to keep hammering away and overthrow the Govt..as Hamas is the govt.... a well recognized terrorist organization..which has stated its mission to eradicate Jews from the earth
READ ROBERT FISK'S OBSERVATIONS IN THE PREVIOUS POST....ISRAEL IS A TERRORIST, A TYRANT, A MASS MURDERER OF HUMAN BEINGS! SHAME ON ISRAEL!
Read what your leaders state.....
Ending this war in Gaza begins with recognizing Hamas as a legitimate political actor.Jimmy Carter and former president of Ireland Mary Robinson for FP: "...This tragedy results from the deliberate obstruction of a promising move toward peace in the region, when a reconciliation agreement among the Palestinian factions was announced in April.
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