The Gays issue. Are we in the West just another Iran?

[Greatest I am]

The Gays issue. Are we in the West just another Iran?
In terms of hypocrisy that is.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4_3RUwAJ_MI&feature=related

We seem to condemn Iran’s denigration and discrimination of Gays and women while at the same time forgetting that we do not give full equality to our own women and Gays and are indeed fighting these notions.

Are we just pots calling the kettle black in these issues while hypocritically doing the same as Iran and other countries who we are trying to preach to in terms of human rights?

I think that we are. We do not walk our talk so can we actually expect others to take our advise and lead when we ourselves do not live up to our own expectations?

Can we expect them to change their views which in a sense are more honest than our own?

http://www.cnn.com/2010/POLITICS/11/08/minnesota.catholic.gay.marriage/index.html?eref=rss_latest&utm_source=feedburner&utm_medium=feed&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+rss%2Fcnn_latest+%28RSS%3A+Most+Recent%29

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IHqwBDVeVTM

Are Christians and Muslims world wide no better than the Iranian Muslims?

Are we just hypocrites and homophobes and chauvinists at heart?
Or,
Are we just bullies?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7x_BV2yUr-M

Regards
DL

 

[hart]

DL the way we treat gays does not equate with IRAN's treatment. Are there homophobes? you betcha, do we, as a society consider that wrong? yes, Rome wasn't built in a day and long held prejudices aren't erased by legislature, but having open discussions, media support, getting the subject out there, that does change minds.....not something IRAN is willing to do.

 

[Meirionnydd]

We don't inflict forms of corporal and capital punishment on homosexuals in the West.

Western countries are very open and supportive towards equality for homosexuals. In most European countries, they enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals.

In the United States too, a very clear majority of people beleive that gay people should be able to marry and have the same rights as heterosexuals.

So no, we're not just hypocrites.

 

[Greatest I am]

DL the way we treat gays does not equate with IRAN's treatment. Are there homophobes? you betcha, do we, as a society consider that wrong? yes, Rome wasn't built in a day and long held prejudices aren't erased by legislature, but having open discussions, media support, getting the subject out there, that does change minds.....not something IRAN is willing to do.

You may be right but since the U S as a nation just now repealed the DADT law says that we have a long way to go before we are seen as walking our talk.

On a scale of 100, we speak like we are 95% right whereas, we are at 30%.
There are still many who do not get it.

http://www.cnn.com/video/?/video/crime/2010/12/15/jvm.transgender.harrassed.hln

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vObeKBKlDEg&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

We don't inflict forms of corporal and capital punishment on homosexuals in the West.

Western countries are very open and supportive towards equality for homosexuals. In most European countries, they enjoy the same rights as heterosexuals.

In the United States too, a very clear majority of people beleive that gay people should be able to marry and have the same rights as heterosexuals.

So no, we're not just hypocrites.

Hmm.

The last effort I heard of for Gay marriage was California and the Gays lost.

We are not walking our talk and people in denial do not help.

The majority in the West are Christian and Catholic. Not too many Gays and women priests around.

Those religious will be seen by God to be sinners and he will--------

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=75UeVLbkXeg&feature=player_embedded

Regards
DL

 

[shelgarr]

Some people just don't get the gay thing. I don't. I cannot relate to same sex love or sexual activity. It's beyond my scope. It doesn't make me a bad people and more importantly I have that right. Yet, some people take that lack of understanding too far. Those types are most of who we all object to.

However I think it's going too far that we extend the ceremony of marriage beyond that of women and men. Unions fine, but not marriage.

 

[BornReady]

The last effort I heard of for Gay marriage was California and the Gays lost.

It is true that the war for gay rights in America is not over but victory is sure. The Normandy landings marked the defeat of Germany in WWII but it was still several months before Hitler fell. The fundies have lost their Normandy but haven't fallen yet.

 

[Peter Parka]

However I think it's going too far that we extend the ceremony of marriage beyond that of women and men. Unions fine, but not marriage.

You're right, we should object to others having the same rights as us when it dosen't affect us in any way whatsoever.:sarcasm

 

[mazHur]

=shelgarr;1778355]

However I think it's going too far that we extend the ceremony of marriage beyond that of women and men. Unions fine, but not marriage

Shelgerr's argument carries weight and I have but to approve of it. Gay marriage is insult to humanity, particularly as regards women who are born to serve that purpose.

Iran is not hypocrite, it says what is contained in their law.
If gay marriages can be allowed then why object to anyone marrying more than 4 persons or more???
A time may come when men's lust for sex would want him to marry animals too...in some part it is already
practiced by the Hindus of India. Then there is also eating of the dead. What moral reason you may have to object to all such orgies??? They are seemingly wrong and immoral.

I feel sympathy for those who are born 'gays' but I detest who adopt ''gay-hood'' just out of whims and lust for
the same kind!!

There is no bigger pleasure than sex but only with a woman!! Rest is all bullshit!

 

[Peter Parka]

Shelgerr's argument carries weight and I have but to approve of it. Gay marriage is insult to humanity, particularly as regards women who are born to serve that purpose.

Iran is not hypocrite, it says what is contained in their law.
If gay marriages can be allowed then why object to anyone marrying more than 4 persons or more???
A time may come when men's lust for sex would want him to marry animals too...in some part it is already
practiced by the Hindus of India. Then there is also eating of the dead. What moral reason you may have to object to all such orgies??? They are seemingly wrong and immoral.

I feel sympathy for those who are born 'gays' but I detest who adopt ''gay-hood'' just out of whims and lust for
the same kind!!

There is no bigger pleasure than sex but only with a woman!! Rest is all bullshit!

What a complete load of homophobic nonsence and bullshit. Let me get this straight - Larry King is getting his 8th divorce, Elizabeth Taylor is possibly getting married for a 9th time, Britney Spears has a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods are screwing EVERYTHING yet the idea of same sex marriage is more repellent to you?

 

[mazHur]

What a complete load of homophobic nonsence and bullshit. Let me get this straight - Larry King is getting his 8th divorce, Elizabeth Taylor is possibly getting married for a 9th time, Britney Spears has a 55 hour marriage, Jesse James and Tiger Woods are screwing EVERYTHING yet the idea of same sex marriage is more repellent to you?

Huh! go ahead if same sex marriage sounds infallible and lustful for you, but keep in mind while traveling to
Iran etc that you would be traversing a deadly pass there

I am least bothered about the 'psycho's' handpicked by you....but even if they remarried a 100 times that
wouldn't be as bad as fucking an ass (donkey, I mean)...Both men and women have the natural right to
marry and remarry! Gay marriage is unnatural and lascivious! This is my opinion but I would hate even to
sit next to a gay!!

 

[Peter Parka]

Just as well like most people I think Iran is a shit country and I have no intention of travelling there. A lot of Iranians seem to want to come and live in my country though, funny that

 

[mazHur]

Just as well like most people I think Iran is a shit country and I have no intention of travelling there. A lot of Iranians seem to want to come and live in my country though, funny that

But I am sure you don't know why??

 

[AnnaBabyx]

This is my opinion but I would hate even to
sit next to a gay!!

So you wouldn't even sit next to me,even my mum isn't that bad. :eek

 

[mazHur]

So you wouldn't even sit next to me,even my mum isn't that bad. :eek

I didn't say that, did I?? And you don't have to take that personally...no.

As a woman you may be a lesbo but not gay,,,am I right?? So, no harm in sitting with you, a species of
the opposite sex

 

[AnnaBabyx]

I didn't say that, did I?? And you don't have to take that personally...no.

As a woman you may be a lesbo but not gay,,,am I right?? So, no harm in sitting with you, a species of
the opposite sex

Aww,I just say gay,because it's a nicer word,:thumbup:thumbup

 

[mazHur]

Aww,I just say gay,because it's a nicer word,:thumbup:thumbup

you being a woooman are surely a lesbo I like to call women like that, because it tends to buck up desire
to hump such deprived females

 

[AnnaBabyx]

you being a woooman are surely a lesbo I like to call women like that, because it tends to buck up desire
to hump such deprived females

Hah,i don't like that word,though,just doesn't sound nice. :thumbup

 

[mazHur]

Hah,i don't like that word,though,just doesn't sound nice. :thumbup

Well, that's your choice but how do you think a woman qualifies to be called a 'gay'??

 

[AnnaBabyx]

Well, that's your choice but how do you think a woman qualifies to be called a 'gay'??

I don't mind,it's just a word,If they want to be called it ,let em. :thumbup x