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So Jesus was perfection?
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Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
What you mean is he is made into what ever fits the bill at the time.
You can probably find in the bible some passage that says cow farts cause global warming.
There are about as much actual facts in the bible as what is in the farmers almanac
BadBoy@TheWheel
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If Jesus was not divine, he would not have made claims that he was. I have sighted many claims made by Jesus, that he was in fact God. One out of many examples, The Jews therefore said to Him, "You are not yet fifty years old, and have You seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, "Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was born, I am." Therefore they picked up stones to throw at Him; but Jesus hid Himself, and went out of the temple. (John 8:57-59) "I and the Father are one." The Jews took up stones again to stone Him. Jesus answered them, "I showed you many good works from the Father; for which of them are you stoning Me?" The Jews answered Him, "For a good work we do not stone You, but for blasphemy; and because You, being a man, make Yourself out to be God." (John 10:30-33)
If a mere man was to level himself with God, don't you think destruction would have fall upon him? We have seen many events where Gods chosen had disobey Him, and they were punished. Saul was punished for disobeying God in the book of Samuel, King David was punished after God told him to number His people Israel, and he did his own thing. Now if a man level himself with God surely destruction would fall on him.
If a mere man was to level himself with God, don't you think destruction would have fall upon him? We have seen many events where Gods chosen had disobey Him, and they were punished. Saul was punished for disobeying God in the book of Samuel, King David was punished after God told him to number His people Israel, and he did his own thing. Now if a man level himself with God surely destruction would fall on him.
Which book...
there are over 50 different versions of the Bible in English alone
I mean when you (not really you but all in general) are making claims that Jesus wasn't perfect because of this and that, quote what he did from the bible to back your argument. There are logical reason behind what Jesus did that seem to make him sin
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
How the heck can you make ANY claims of knowledge about a guy who died over 2000 years ago? Things get distorted over time even when there was written documentation done at the time of an event. Let alone with this stuff.
And how do we know that the bible was edited, fabricated or distorted? Because something in the bible doesn't make sense?
UndeadCrow
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Impossible. Everybody sins. It's just that not all of us are idiots that believe we have to wash them away. Atheists sin and they don't care that they sinned. Such as me...
All except Jesus. I have seen where someone quoted a scripture from the bible saying that"all have sinned and fall short of the glory of god." But Jesus was born of a women by the overshadowing of the Holy Spirit thus Jesus did not inherit original sin like all mankind does...why? because His origin is from the Father God....not two humans ....so Jesus was SINLESS....but He was manifested in the flesh of a man and was tempted every part like we are but He never willfully sinned...because of this fact Jesus could offer Himself as a spotless lamb to pay for the sinfulness of sin and thus open the way for a cleansing of our conscience
When Jesus was before the High Priest, He asked if anyone was there who could bring even one fault against Him and there was none because He was perfect. Not only was Christ physically a man, but He was also God and God can not sin. 1 John 1:5 tells us that "God is light and in Him is no darkness". Could a light give off darkness? Can God sin? yes, Christ was sinless.
The bible has been preserved for centuries, and this i can provided scientific evidence for.Copies of the Bible dating to the 14th century A.D. are nearly identical in content to copies from the 3rd century A.D. Scholars have concluded the similarity of the bible to other ancient copies of the Old Testament.
There is absolutely no evidence that the Bible has been revised, edited, or tampered with in any systematic manner. The sheer volume of Biblical manuscripts makes it simple to recognize any attempts to distort God’s Word. There is no major doctrine of the Bible that is put in doubt as a result of the minor differences that exist between manuscripts.
Alien Allen
Froggy the Prick
Your indoctrination was very successful. The brainwashing was quite complete.
You fundies are like robots :24:
BadBoy@TheWheel
DT3's Twinkie
Oh really.....
You don't believe the theory that the Catholic church has held captive technically all the scrolls that they didn't destroy that might or might not dis-prove what was in the book they used to form a religion that is the foundation for all Christian religions:eek
You ever heard the phrase "History is written by the victor"
If you hold firmly to your beliefs, then you have to know about the Crusades....If you understand the hisroty behind the Crusades, then you have to know that the Catholic church, on the dawn of its creation, hunted and murdered groups of pilgrims, and embattled soldiers that possessed scrolls claimed to be the holy word.
So you say that it's not possible that there has been no distortion....
UndeadCrow
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You are so self-deluded it's not even funny.
All Else Failed
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I don't have to quote scripture, is commonly accepted that Jesus was a human being with supposed "divine" powers. That does not take away from his human element, which is inherently flawed.
If Jesus was god, then he became imperfect while his son (also himself) Jesus was part human. God literally NEEDED things like food and water to survive. An all powerful god NEEDING and WANTING things? hmmm....
Um are you aware of the Council of Nicene? lol you don't even know your biblical history.
Oh really.....
You don't believe the theory that the Catholic church has held captive technically all the scrolls that they didn't destroy that might or might not dis-prove what was in the book they used to form a religion that is the foundation for all Christian religions:eek
You ever heard the phrase "History is written by the victor"
If you hold firmly to your beliefs, then you have to know about the Crusades....If you understand the hisroty behind the Crusades, then you have to know that the Catholic church, on the dawn of its creation, hunted and murdered groups of pilgrims, and embattled soldiers that possessed scrolls claimed to be the holy word.
So you say that it's not possible that there has been no distortion....
I have heard about the crusader and their goal to recapture Jerusalem and the Holy Land from Muslim rule. Never really look up those stuff. But i have seen scientist confirm that the bible has the same writings as the ancient writings.
A human being with divine powers? You know how absurd that sounds? He was both human and God. Sure is human side would have WANTS and NEEDS.
The seventeenth chapter of John records Jesus Christ's high priestly prayer. "After Jesus said this, he looked toward heaven and prayed: 'Father, the time has come. Glorify your Son, that your Son may glorify you. For you granted him authority over all people that he might give eternal life to all those you have given him. Now this is eternal life: that they may know you, the only true God, and Jesus Christ, whom you have sent. I have brought you glory on earth by completing the work you gave me to do. And now, Father, glorify me in your presence with the glory I had with you before the world began'" (John 17:1-5)
Hey, i have only been a christian over a year now. I can not gather so much information in so little time. But believe this, i will read up on everything that you throw at me that if in the future i have this conversation i will be able to stand my ground.
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