Smoking Bans??

[jctauss]

hehe...... those crazy brits

 

[RedRyder]

Red you should know by now I am not a fan of the EPA

That agency IMO is run by idiots that are bought and paid for by special interest groups.

I say that based on personal dealings with stuff in my work that is regulated by the EPA.

I have seen EPA studies that were deliberately tailored to provide the desired result they wanted. I have seen them make reductions on substances when there was zero evidence back the need to lower the levels. All at a cost of hundreds of billions of dollars.

So anything coming from them is not going to be convincing to me.

Okay... How about this:

How common is asthma in children?
Asthma is the leading cause of chronic illness in children. It affects as many as 10%-12% of children in the United States and, for unknown reasons, is steadily increasing. Asthma can begin at any age (even in the very elderly), but most children have their first symptoms by age 5.

There are many risk factors for developing childhood asthma. These include:

Nasal allergies (hay fever) or eczema (allergic skin rash)
A family history of asthma or allergies
Frequent respiratory infections
Low birth weight
Exposure to tobacco smoke before or after birth
Black or Puerto-Rican ethnicity
Being raised in a low-income environment
Why is the rate of asthma in children increasing?
No one really knows the exact reasons why more and more children are developing asthma. Some experts suggest that children spend too much time indoors and are exposed to more and more dust, air pollution, and secondhand smoke. Some suspect that children are not exposed to enough childhood illnesses to direct the attention of their immune system to bacteria and viruses.

From: Asthma in Children & Infants

 

[wednesday]

Okay... How about this:



From: Asthma in Children & Infants

:clap:clap:clap

 

[RedRyder]

:clap:clap:clap

Thankx! It's from WEBMD... the source he uses too!

 

[Alien Allen]

Tylenol

I grew up in a family that smokes.

None of my siblings have asthma

All 3 of my kids have asthma yet my wife and I do not smoke and when people come to the house nobody smokes in the house.

Tylenol

 

[RedRyder]

Tylenol

I grew up around a family that smokes.

None of my siblings have asthma

All 3 of my kids have asthma yet my wife and I do not smoke and when people come to the house nobody smokes in the house.

Tylenol

See.... the asthma was passed down through your 'exposed' gene defects.

Seriously..... Are you denying the article as a pick and choose your battles attempt? :willy_nilly:

BTW.... Morning Prick!

 

[Alien Allen]

See.... the asthma was passed down through your 'exposed' gene defects.

Seriously..... Are you denying the article as a pick and choose your battles attempt? :willy_nilly:

BTW.... Morning Prick!

I fixed that article for you so it would make more sense..

How common is asthma in children?
Asthma is the leading cause of chronic illness in children. It affects as many as 10%-12% of children in the United States and, for unknown reasons, is steadily increasing. Asthma can begin at any age (even in the very elderly), but most children have their first symptoms by age 5.

There are many risk factors for developing childhood asthma. These include:

Nasal allergies (hay fever) or eczema (allergic skin rash)
A family history of asthma or allergies
Frequent respiratory infections
Low birth weight
Exposure to tobacco smoke before or after birth
Black or Puerto-Rican ethnicity
Being raised in a low-income environment

Why is the rate of asthma in children increasing?
No one really knows the exact reasons why more and more children are developing asthma. Some experts suggest that children spend too much time indoors and are exposed to more and more dust, air pollution, and secondhand smoke. Some suspect that children are not exposed to enough childhood illnesses to direct the attention of their immune system to bacteria and viruses.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

Here it's a city thing, certain city ordinances don't allow smoking inside buildings.


City buildings you can't smoke within 25 feet in any direction of the building. Personally I don't care, I'm not a smoker.

Smokers have never really bothered me honestly, some of them can be real assholes about the whole "rights" thing, but I have never really had any real issues with them.

 

[nursey1972]

ok... I am a smoker.. and I totally support the smoking ban in restaurants..

but in bars, come on! I think it should be the owners choice, and if people choice to come in they know the risk.. There are numerous business that are failing and closing since the smoking ban around here... and most places I know of are risking the fines etc and letting patrons smoke anyway so that they can keep the doors open...

The government woud LIKE for us to think they want us to stop smoking, but it is usually the first tax that gets increased when the money is needed... so do ya really think they want us to quit?

It blows my mind the comment that was made about the teachers reporting parents if their children smell like smoke... This is just to over the edge... are you gonna report every parent for taking their kids to McDonalds if they don't choose from the "healthy menu"

in my opinoin there is just to much control by the government... and with this I am done..

 

[RedRyder]

It blows my mind the comment that was made about the teachers reporting parents if their children smell like smoke... This is just to over the edge... are you gonna report every parent for taking their kids to McDonalds if they don't choose from the "healthy menu"

Maybe Ronald McDonald should consider a 'bad choice' rep to watch when parents choose things that would definitely contribute to obesity.... particularly if the child is already obese. Hmmmmmm......

 

[RedRyder]

I fixed that article for you so it would make more sense..

Pick and Choose..... :ninja

I suppose we are all a bit guilty of it at times.

However, consider this:

Did you know that crossing a busy highway while blindfolded might lead to sudden death syndrome?

Now looking at that sentence you could either laugh and say MIGHT? Or you might consider NOT crossing a busy highway while blindfolded just to be on the safe side.

Do you understand my meaning here?

 

[Alien Allen]

Pick and Choose..... :ninja

I suppose we are all a bit guilty of it at times.

However, consider this:

Did you know that crossing a busy highway while blindfolded might lead to sudden death syndrome?

Now looking at that sentence you could either laugh and say MIGHT? Or you might consider NOT crossing a busy highway while blindfolded just to be on the safe side.

Do you understand my meaning here?

not a problem unless one is also deaf

Blind people walk around towns all the time :nod:

 

[RedRyder]

not a problem unless one is also deaf

Blind people walk around towns all the time :nod:

They don't usually cross busy highways, right? Sheesh...... Alien Allen you give me pause to think about stuff more than I should. Hence the bottle of Motrin. :willy_nilly:

 

[thatguyjeff]

I'm a smoker. Live in MN. Have a smoking ban here - no smoking in bars, restaurants, ANY indoor public place, workplace, etc. The ONLY exception are tobacco shops.

I'm okay with a ban to protect those who don't smoke - but throw us a fucking bone for chrissakes. I can't smoke indoors anywhere. There's no loopholes either. No "private clubs," no separate ventillation systems (no matter how effective).

I just want someplace, anyplace that's relatively accessible (close to home), where I can chill with a smoke, a cup of coffee, and my mates without having to be outside when it's -20.

Am I asking for too much here?

 

[Alien Allen]

I'm a smoker. Live in MN. Have a smoking ban here - no smoking in bars, restaurants, ANY indoor public place, workplace, etc. The ONLY exception are tobacco shops.

I'm okay with a ban to protect those who don't smoke - but throw us a fucking bone for chrissakes. I can't smoke indoors anywhere. There's no loopholes either. No "private clubs," no separate ventillation systems (no matter how effective).

I just want someplace, anyplace that's relatively accessible (close to home), where I can chill with a smoke, a cup of coffee, and my mates without having to be outside when it's -20.

Am I asking for too much here?

It would appear so.

 

[SgtSpike]

Do you think it should be up to the Business and the owners if there should be smoking allowed or not in their place of business and not up to the local/state government.

in Pa if you own a bar and if you sell more booze then food it's up to you i believe cause i still see smoking in Bars.

so what are your takes on this. You're either a smoker or non smoker.

as a smoker do you care if your state has a ban on smoking in public places and if your a non smoker do you really care or are you happy that this ban is in effect??

Smoke doesnt bother me at all. in fact i like the smell of it. but i can see peoples point of views if they dont like to breathe in the smoke cause they just dont like it or theyre asthmatic or other breahting problems.

Do you think it should be allowed to be up to drivers to decide whether to run red lights and speed?

Same sort of thinking here... smoking harms other people (and can even kill people from second-hand smoke), so it should not be allowed in any public place. You could say, "Well, people CHOOSE to go into a bar, etc." In the same way, people CHOOSE to drive on the road. But that doesn't make it ok for people to do whatever they want on the road and make it unsafe, just the same as people aren't allowed to do whatever they want in any other public place to make it unsasfe.

 

[Alien Allen]

Do you think it should be allowed to be up to drivers to decide whether to run red lights and speed?

Same sort of thinking here... smoking harms other people (and can even kill people from second-hand smoke), so it should not be allowed in any public place. You could say, "Well, people CHOOSE to go into a bar, etc." In the same way, people CHOOSE to drive on the road. But that doesn't make it ok for people to do whatever they want on the road and make it unsafe, just the same as people aren't allowed to do whatever they want in any other public place to make it unsasfe.

There is a huge flaw in that premise.

One has to use a car on a roadway.

One does not have to go into a smoke filled establishment.

Some will say what about the workers? To which my reply would be so what. They started work knowing about the conditions. If ya don't like it then go somewhere and work that has no smoke.

For the sake of this argument I am only referring to bars, pubs, restaurants and not other work places.

 

[SgtSpike]

There is a huge flaw in that premise.

One has to use a car on a roadway.

One does not have to go into a smoke filled establishment.

Some will say what about the workers? To which my reply would be so what. They started work knowing about the conditions. If ya don't like it then go somewhere and work that has no smoke.

For the sake of this argument I am only referring to bars, pubs, restaurants and not other work places.

But one doesn't have to use a car.

We use cars for the sake of convenience, to make our lives better. We use restaurants for the same purpose (or at least, restaurants make us FEEL like our lives are better, lol). So why make one of them unsafe but keep the other safe?

Also, why do you say it should be limited to bars, pubs and restaurants? I can understand smoking in a place that only sells cigars and cigarettes - no one in their right mind would be going in there regularly without being a smoker themselves, and second-hand smoke would have no bearing on a first-hand smoker - but every other establishment has a purpose other than smoking, and to force potential health problems on the people that use those establishments for purposes other than smoking is just wrong IMO, even if people "have a choice" to go there. But if we having smoking in restaurants, why not have it in WalMart too? After all, people can "choose" to go to wally world or not.

 

[Accountable]

If thats the case then why not cater to alcoholics and drug abusers?...after all , they are public too right?

I don't follow, but it's probably a rhetorical question. :humm:

 

[Makedde]

I'm a smoker. Live in MN. Have a smoking ban here - no smoking in bars, restaurants, ANY indoor public place, workplace, etc. The ONLY exception are tobacco shops.

I'm okay with a ban to protect those who don't smoke - but throw us a fucking bone for chrissakes. I can't smoke indoors anywhere. There's no loopholes either. No "private clubs," no separate ventillation systems (no matter how effective).

I just want someplace, anyplace that's relatively accessible (close to home), where I can chill with a smoke, a cup of coffee, and my mates without having to be outside when it's -20.

Am I asking for too much here?

It is absolutely vital that you smoke indoors? I mean, is it 100% necessary that you have a smoke and a cup of coffee?

One has to use a car on a roadway.

One can walk, take the bus, train, tram, taxi etc.