Should Rape Victims be Named???

[mazHur]

Still doesn't make it right, nor any easier on the person violated.

I think if that is not easier on the person in advanced countries why do people think it easier in countries like
Pakistan??? Most of the rape cases are not reported in Pakistan and that this attitude of the victims tends to encourage rapists?

 

[mazHur]

If it happened to you would you want your name and picture in the news?

IF I said NO then I would have reason to compare concealment of a heinous crime like rape the same as in a backward country like mine!
Until the culture changes I might perhaps avoid 'flashing' the tragic incident but...................our media is nowadays very strong and totally free! Yesterday it reported a 13 year maid girl raped by her employer for multiple times but as she and her family were too scared to report to police the girl delivered a baby and now the whole thing is out in the media!! So, I think rape victim ought to be \brave' enough to report and face the reality. Isn't that with every crime??

 

[sexysadie]

IF I said NO then I would have reason to compare concealment of a heinous crime like rape the same as in a backward country like mine!
Until the culture changes I might perhaps avoid 'flashing' the tragic incident but...................our media is nowadays very strong and totally free! Yesterday it reported a 13 year maid girl raped by her employer for multiple times but as she and her family were too scared to report to police the girl delivered a baby and now the whole thing is out in the media!! So, I think rape victim ought to be \brave' enough to report and face the reality. Isn't that with every crime??

You can report a crime without having it published in the media Maz...I think the point is not to humiliate the victim any further.

 

[AnitaBeer]

I think if that is not easier on the person in advanced countries why do people think it easier in countries like
Pakistan??? Most of the rape cases are not reported in Pakistan and that this attitude of the victims tends to encourage rapists?

I don't know anyone who thinks it's easier on anyone no matter where they are from.
Beliefs are different in Pakistan than they are in the US. But in both places it's shocking to know how many cases are not reported. In both places it's because the person raped is usually too scared to report it. They shouldn't be but that is the case.

But of the people that do report they should still not have to have their name publicized as it causes more issues for that person. Once the person is found guilty that did the raping then their names should be shared, but unless the person raped wants their name shared they shouldn't have to see it all over the news.

So the problem here is trying to get all those who are raped to report it instead of keeping it to themselves, but again it doesn't mean they should have to have their name plastered across the news.

 

[mazHur]

You can report a crime without having it published in the media Maz...I think the point is not to humiliate the victim any further.

I agree with you as what you said is a common understanding everywhere and that's not good to bring
reforms in the society. The media here is so strong today that each and every detail about the incident is flashed
round the clock. The 13 year mother who was raped felt comfortable at media reporting and bringing her travail
to the attention of the higher authorities who have now nabbed to culprits and they are being tried. If the media hadn't flashed the news the culprits might have killer that girl or continued the abuse.

Not reporting rape incidents to the police tends to give a free hand to the rapist and render no service to law or society. FYI rape is punishable by Death over here.....and if committed in Saudia or UAE the rapist will lose his neck after a very brief summary trial!! this is why crime ratio in those countries is negligible

 

[mazHur]

I don't know anyone who thinks it's easier on anyone no matter where they are from.
Beliefs are different in Pakistan than they are in the US. But in both places it's shocking to know how many cases are not reported. In both places it's because the person raped is usually too scared to report it. They shouldn't be but that is the case.

But of the people that do report they should still not have to have their name publicized as it causes more issues for that person. Once the person is found guilty that did the raping then their names should be shared, but unless the person raped wants their name shared they shouldn't have to see it all over the news.

So the problem here is trying to get all those who are raped to report it instead of keeping it to themselves, but again it doesn't mean they should have to have their name plastered across the news.

How would you imagine to conceal 'name' from the hounding media???

I am shocked to note that as far as rape reporting is concerned there is actually no difference in
human psyche between an advanced country like yours where law is the rule and my country which lacks rule of law and that is very sad to know!!

 

[Peter Parka]

Absolutely not!!! I didn't read the entire article b/c, quite frankly, it was very long and seemed very boring...plus I hate this section and rarely venture in it, LOL

Anyway, the only time a "rape victim" should be named is when it comes out that the accusations were false. IMO, those people deserve whatever they get b/c they make it harder for REAL victims to find someone to believe them. Not to mention a rape accusation will RUIN the accused's life even if they are found to be innocent.

Completely agree with this.:thumbup

Anyway, I'm 100% sure that Mazhur wouldn't want to have his details released to the public if he was raped so this thread is just more trolling and shit stirring on his behalf, yet again.

 

[mazHur]

Completely agree with this.:thumbup

Anyway, I'm 100% sure that Mazhur wouldn't want to have his details released to the public if he was raped so this thread is just more trolling and shit stirring on his behalf, yet again.

What makes you think in that direction??
The thread is definitely not a troll......unless you took rape lightly

 

[Meirionnydd]

Sexual abuse and violation is probably one of the most traumatizing and embarrassing situations anyone can possibly go through. With that being said, what kind of benefit is derived from publicly naming rape victims?

For the most part, women are generally raped by someone they know, such as a boyfriend/girlfriend, or acquaintance, this is one of the primary reasons that rape is so under reported. In addition, victims have rights, and naming a victim is somewhat counterproductive, it could discourage other women (and men) from reporting instances of rape, considering their social standing in the community would probably suffer.

Anyway, in the article, this paragraph provides and extremely good reason as to why rape victims shouldn't be named...

Feminists have long stood behind the importance of women speaking out and saying, "I was raped" (just as they have announced, "I had an abortion"). It's incredibly powerful to attach names and individual faces to a stigmatized epidemic -- whether it's AIDS or sexual assault. There's a world of difference, though, between a rape accuser electing to speak out and a rape accuser being outed by the media. It seems kind of cruel to consider rape victims responsible for the punishing work of unloading all this "cultural baggage." The real issue is that, by most estimates, rape is massively underreported, precisely because of that stigma. Thrusting accusers into the limelight only further discourages reporting -- and that hardly seems an effective way to stamp out the stigma.

Also, mazHur, why are you posting an article that very specifically disagrees with your point of view?

 

[mazHur]

Sexual abuse and violation is probably one of the most traumatizing and embarrassing situations anyone can possibly go through. With that being said, what kind of benefit is derived from publicly naming rape victims?


For the most part, women are generally raped by someone they know, such as a boyfriend/girlfriend, or acquaintance, this is one of the primary reasons that rape is so under reported. In addition, victims have rights, and naming a victim is somewhat counterproductive, it could discourage other women (and men) from reporting instances of rape, considering their social standing in the community would probably suffer.

In Saudia, for example, the authorities are not inclined to disclose the name of the victim but no rapist is let go
without losing his neck! Similarly, it was suggested to the electronic and other media NOT to disclose the real names and identities of the rape victims to save them from social embarrassment but the media usually doesn't
adhere to the advice. Sometimes the face of the rape victim is kept masked on theTV etc but sooner or later
the real identity of the rape victim and rapist is exposed. In rural areas which are under some kind of feudal lords or big landlords incidents of gang rape occur more than urban areas where gang rapes do occur but are fewer. If it wasn't for the electronic media in Pakistan no one would ever come to know of rapes or gang rapes
as the victims are too weak or afraid to report the case. In contrast to the US or other civilized countries I had the opinion that all rape cases were reported due to prevalence of law and justice there. But I am now shocked to know that situation there is not better than a poor and law-lacking and justice-forbidden country like Pakistan.

It is not a rule that ALL rapes are conducted by close relatives or friends. There are instances of such rapes but the case is either hushed up or decided by the family. Not bad but I wouldn't expect this from an advanced and civilized society because expecting as such would leave no difference between the advanced and civilized and the so-called uncivilized and uneducated people. Ruining a women's sanctity cannot be tolerated for any reason.....there is hardly any need for them to suppress a crime committed against them just for societal and communal reasons. The rapists, no matter who they are, must suffer punishment... and if men do not fear why should women when they believe they have rights equal to men????

Anyway, in the article, this paragraph provides and extremely good reason as to why rape victims shouldn't be named...

Also, mazHur, why are you posting an article that very specifically disagrees with your point of view?

The observations made in the article are NOT the FINAL words. This issue still remains in abeyance and warrant a further discussion and debate to enable civil society to reach some solution to the problem.

 

[mazHur]

White girls seen as 'easy meat' by Pakistani rapists, says Jack Straw

Row erupts after former home secretary says grooming for sexual abuse is a problem among some Pakistani men

• guardian.co.uk, Saturday 8 January 2011 15.52 GMT
• Jack Straw said the British Pakistani community must face up to 'a number of Pakistani heritage men thinking it is OK to target white girls' for sexual abuse. Photograph: Dave Thompson/PA The former home secretary Jack Straw has been accused of stereotyping Pakistani men in Britain after he accused some of them as regarding white girls as "easy meat" for sexual abuse.
  The Blackburn MP spoke out after two Asian men who raped and sexually assaulted girls in Derby were given indefinite jail terms.
  Straw said there was a "specific problem" in some areas of the country where Pakistani men "target vulnerable young white girls".
  His comments were criticised by Keith Vaz, chairman of the Commons home affairs select committee, who said it was wrong to "stereotype a whole community".
  Yesterday Mohammed Liaqat, 28, and Abid Saddique, 27, were jailed at Nottingham crown court after being found guilty at a trial in November of charges including rape.
  

http:/www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/jan/08/jack-straw-white-girls-easy-meat

 

[Minor Axis]

Should Rape Victims be Named???
I say YES!
What do you say??

I say no because no one wants this traumatizing event in their lives advertised, because it compounds the crime against them. More importantly why do you think this is a good idea?

 

[MoonOwl]

I say No too.

Yet we have this case where the rapist is acting as his own lawyer and questioned the victim himself yesterday:

http://www.tampabay.com/news/courts...oman-testifies-in-bayshore-rape-trial/1144807

That had to be a trip for her


*I guess I should say 'alleged' rapist eh?

 

[RedRyder]

Wow! Moonie.... Just wow!

 

[porterjack]

that is one ugly story, glad i am not on that jury

 

[mazHur]

I say no because no one wants this traumatizing event in their lives advertised, because it compounds the crime against them. More importantly why do you think this is a good idea?

My 'justification' is very simple and clear! By concealing a heinous crime you are only trying to defeat the ends
of law and justice.

Women in the West ought to be bold enough now to protest and seek legal remedy in such instances rather than just live with the trauma like a poor helpless Pakistani or Indian girl where law and justice are usually beyond her.
IF a girl is raped in an Islamic state like Saudia and she reported it the boy will either become a gay for the rest of his life or have him thrown to the dogs regardless he's girls relative or not. As for the girl she will find no
shameful scruples and can walk with her head high in such a society..
What I mean is that I never expected a highly civilized society like yours to hush up crimes at your own choices!!

 

[Guyzerr]

What I mean is that I never expected a highly civilized society like yours to hush up crimes at your own choices!!

Keeping a womans name out of the public eye because she was the innocent victim of some demented pervert is a right in itself. To think otherwise is selfish.

There are countries that hold the woman responsible for being raped and some have been executed for it. What kind of a choice is that?

 

[mazHur]

Keeping a womans name out of the public eye because she was the innocent victim of some demented pervert is a right in itself. To think otherwise is selfish.

There are countries that hold the woman responsible for being raped and some have been executed for it. What kind of a choice is that?

Even if a woman wanted to use her that ''right' why should the rapist be let free??

Let's keep discussion in context to evasion of law in 'highly civilized' countries.
What would be the difference between them and the uncivilized one if you sought to compare with them???

 

[Guyzerr]

Even if a woman wanted to use her that ''right' why should the rapist be let free??

Let's keep discussion in context to evasion of law in 'highly civilized' countries.
What would be the difference between them and the uncivilized one if you sought to compare with them???

maz what you're not getting is in Canada the rapist is charged and the case goes to court. Preceding the trial, during the trial and after the trial the victim isn't named regardless of the outcome. Nobody ever said anything about the rapist getting off scott free.

 

[mazHur]

maz what you're not getting is in Canada the rapist is charged and the case goes to court. Preceding the trial, during the trial and after the trial the victim isn't named regardless of the outcome. Nobody ever said anything about the rapist getting off scott free.

okay, I won't like the victim being 'publicized' but if the rapists are brought to book, that's fine