Scholarships for minorities?

[Strauss]

This was a very good piece I read that addresses this very topic.

Would you like to share the source of this diatribe?

 

[Fox Mulder]

I do think they have come close to an end. I believe they were needed and they did their job, but the job isn't fully complete. So it still needs to be in place, but scaled back.



Really? Unconstitutional? They have been in place for decades and not once was it challenged at the supreme court level? Are the justices in the habit of allowing unconstitutional laws rule the land? Please, give me a fucking break. I much more inclined to believe the rulings of the supreme court than to listen to the rantings of some random forum personality. You can't convince me that it's unconstitutional when there are thousands of brilliant lawyers out there and not one of them challenged it. I'm just saying

LOL! It WAS CHALLENGED CONTINUOUSLY--WHY DO YOU THINK AFFIRMATIVE ACTION IS NOW UNCONSTITUTIONAL. I'm not some forum personality, I've read more Supreme Court decisions than you have forum entries. If you haven't figured it out yet, "Constitutional" depends on which judges are sitting on the Supreme Court (even the "critieria" opinion is a narrow 5-4 decision). Affirmative Action would never have flown with a reasonable mix of moderates, conservatives, and liberals on the court as there are now. It "flew" because at the time it was instituted, we had one of the most liberal courts in history. It is gone because that court is gone and the make up of the court is different--it is a much more moderate court. But I do find your naivety on Constitutional law entertaining!

 

[HottyToddyChick]

I guess it could be a form a affirmative action, which I think is racist, or at least discriminatory. Although, I have a white friend who went to an all-black college because his family couldn't afford school. He got minority scholarships, so at least it works in all situations. He's doing an internship with NSA right now, so it's not a bad school to be at, I guess.

 

[Accountable]

What do the rest of you think about scholarships based on race/ethnicity/etc for college?

The University of Oregon offers many "diversity" scholarships that are directly based on race. Isn't that racism? I mean, it's a good way to attract a diverse student body, but aren't we all supposed to be equal here? Shouldn't this be illegal, to offer scholarships based on a person's race or ethnicity? To me, it seems to be racism against white Americans, because they seem to be the only ones who don't manage to get any kind of "diversity" scholarships.

Thoughts? Opinions?

Private organizations should be allowed to waste their money any way they see fit. There are literally hundreds of thousands of scholarships out there for every imaginable category, including being a red-haired Irish descendent.
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Back in the 70's I bought a list based on my personal criteria and it was a little shocking the money I qualify for as a white guy.

I do, however, have a major prob with a public university taking my federal dollars and using them to give advantge to certain scholars over others based on color-coding or some other arbitrary divider.

 

[Accountable]

I do think they have come close to an end. I believe they were needed and they did their job, but the job isn't fully complete. So it still needs to be in place, but scaled back.



Really? Unconstitutional? They have been in place for decades and not once was it challenged at the supreme court level? Are the justices in the habit of allowing unconstitutional laws rule the land? Please, give me a fucking break. I much more inclined to believe the rulings of the supreme court than to listen to the rantings of some random forum personality. You can't convince me that it's unconstitutional when there are thousands of brilliant lawyers out there and not one of them challenged it. I'm just saying

Unless I miss my mark, yes they are in that habit. They can't swoop in and stop the legislature from passing unconstitutional laws on their own. They can only act on those laws that are brought before them.
The rest of the post was already addressed by others so I'll leave it.

 

[SgtSpike]

Private organizations should be allowed to waste their money any way they see fit. There are literally hundreds of thousands of scholarships out there for every imaginable category, including being a red-haired Irish descendent.
Free Scholarship Searches

Back in the 70's I bought a list based on my personal criteria and it was a little shocking the money I qualify for as a white guy.

I do, however, have a major prob with a public university taking my federal dollars and using them to give advantge to certain scholars over others based on color-coding or some other arbitrary divider.

Then why can a private organization not hire all white people if they want?

 

[Accountable]

Then why can a private organization not hire all white people if they want?

Social engineering. Another gov't program the gov't was never designed to do.
IMO, if a company wants to screw itself by rejecting the best qualified based on melanin, they should. We are endowed by our Creator with the unalienable right to be stupid. :cool

 

[SgtSpike]

Social engineering. Another gov't program the gov't was never designed to do.
IMO, if a company wants to screw itself by rejecting the best qualified based on melanin, they should. We are endowed by our Creator with the unalienable right to be stupid. :cool

I completely agree with you.

 

[Tim]

Then why can a private organization not hire all white people if they want?

They can. My company does not employ anyone of color and we even supply some government contracts. There is no one knocking at our door demanding us to hire a minority. So where do you get your information from? The law says that you cannot discriminate job applicants based on color, but that's actually hard to prove to be the case. You would have to show a pattern of not hiring minorities that were qualified. After all, it is a privately owned company and the government doesn't say whom we can hire, only whom we can't discriminate against.

 

[SgtSpike]

They can. My company does not employ anyone of color and we even supply some government contracts. There is no one knocking at our door demanding us to hire a minority. So where do you get your information from? The law says that you cannot discriminate job applicants based on color, but that's actually hard to prove to be the case. You would have to show a pattern of not hiring minorities that were qualified. After all, it is a privately owned company and the government doesn't say whom we can hire, only whom we can't discriminate against.

Well, I could be wrong, but I've heard stories of companies who have been sued for hiring a white guy out of two equally qualified people when the other guy was a minority race.

 

[Gabe]

Scholarships for people of different race/whatever could be interpreted as racism, but I think it would also go a long way in preventing it; you can't be discriminated in a school where you are no different from all the others. This is of course always the case, unfortunately we live in a world where some people see things a little differently. And, to be a little realistic, we have to consider the possibility that are people who would use racism as an excuse, ie.: "I got a bad mark because I'm [something].", even though it wouldn't be true. I don't know if this happens or not, but if it does, it would also put a stop to this.

 

[All Else Failed]

The liberals will never go for it and since they run education, minorities will continue to be given all the advantages.

lol what


you merely being white puts you miles ahead in advantages when it comes to education. Plus, there are an ABSURD amount of different scholarships that you can apply for that no one takes. Its free money.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

lol what


you merely being white puts you miles ahead in advantages when it comes to education. Plus, there are an ABSURD amount of different scholarships that you can apply for that no one takes. Its free money.

Bottom line is this, at least to me and I won't make it political because it shouldn't be,

Education should be available to all.....Not just blacks, not just whites. There should be no exclusivity in regards to color or religion in regards to scholarships or educational advantages offered by institutions.

One thing for certain, the US Government should certainly NOT be advocating scholarships based strictly on race.

If that is going to be the case, then there needs to be a United Caucasian College Fund:dunno

Doesn't sound very welcoming does it?

 

[Sam]

SgtSpike you have a fantastic point here, but the fact is that its all a money game !!! I don't know from where the hell did this minority point came from, and it is directly related with CASTE, racism etc. are not directly related with minorities, most for vote banks politicians have made this as a weapon which is like a venom in Society.

 

[All Else Failed]

Bottom line is this, at least to me and I won't make it political because it shouldn't be,

Education should be available to all.....Not just blacks, not just whites. There should be no exclusivity in regards to color or religion in regards to scholarships or educational advantages offered by institutions.

One thing for certain, the US Government should certainly NOT be advocating scholarships based strictly on race.

If that is going to be the case, then there needs to be a United Caucasian College Fund:dunno

Doesn't sound very welcoming does it?

I agree with what you say.