Scholarships for minorities?

[SgtSpike]

What do the rest of you think about scholarships based on race/ethnicity/etc for college?

The University of Oregon offers many "diversity" scholarships that are directly based on race. Isn't that racism? I mean, it's a good way to attract a diverse student body, but aren't we all supposed to be equal here? Shouldn't this be illegal, to offer scholarships based on a person's race or ethnicity? To me, it seems to be racism against white Americans, because they seem to be the only ones who don't manage to get any kind of "diversity" scholarships.

Thoughts? Opinions?

 

[kelvin070]

I don't think its a question of race here. In any society there will be some disadvantaged groups and in most cases its the minorities. If they were to compete on a level playing field many will have little chance to excel. So the minorities need some help especially in education.

 

[sierrabravo]

i think some of it might be wasted.. take for example my high school that i grad'd from... a public school that you dont have to pay for and the "minority" students were failing even the remedial classes, not even trying to look at the cover of the books.. i was told once that one student (who later dropped out) actually got all 0.00% in all classes... i think its all in whether or not they take it seriously. and to the minorities, no, "the man" is not out to keep you down...

 

[kelvin070]

One has to be selective in giving handouts cuz they could be abused. We are talking about scholarships here. Only potential students who can make the grade are given scholarships.

 

[SgtSpike]

I don't think its a question of race here. In any society there will be some disadvantaged groups and in most cases its the minorities. If they were to compete on a level playing field many will have little chance to excel. So the minorities need some help especially in education.

See I don't agree with that... how are minorities disadvantaged when it comes to education? If you say that most minorities are poor, well, that may or may not be true, but why not have the minority scholarships available based on income rather than race so that white people who are just as poor have the same opportunity to get it?

And it absolutely is a question of race. You just said that minorities are disadvantaged groups... based on their race!

 

[Alien Allen]

we need to move past minorities getting give aways

should be based on financial need only.

the poor need the most help.

let the ones who want to further themselves get the chance. if that means it is a white, pink, brown or yellow person then so be it.

 

[Fox Mulder]

we need to move past minorities getting give aways

should be based on financial need only.

the poor need the most help.

let the ones who want to further themselves get the chance. if that means it is a white, pink, brown or yellow person then so be it.

The liberals will never go for it and since they run education, minorities will continue to be given all the advantages.

 

[kelvin070]

See I don't agree with that... how are minorities disadvantaged when it comes to education? If you say that most minorities are poor, well, that may or may not be true, but why not have the minority scholarships available based on income rather than race so that white people who are just as poor have the same opportunity to get it?

And it absolutely is a question of race. You just said that minorities are disadvantaged groups... based on their race!

A monority is a minority - do not think along racial lines. Scholarships need not necessarily be for the poor only. Most scholarships are offered to bright students regardless of weather they are rich or poor. The disadvantaged minorities are usually the poor ones who cant afford to pay for college education.

 

[skyblue]

welcome to the PC club.........over here companies have to employ a percentage of minotities even if they aren't as qualified to do the job

 

[SgtSpike]

A monority is a minority - do not think along racial lines. Scholarships need not necessarily be for the poor only. Most scholarships are offered to bright students regardless of weather they are rich or poor. The disadvantaged minorities are usually the poor ones who cant afford to pay for college education.

Ok, so then give scholarships based on need (poorness) and based on previous academic performance, but don't give them based on race. I'd prefer not to think on racial lines, but that is exactly what giving scholarships based on race is doing!

welcome to the PC club.........over here companies have to employ a percentage of minotities even if they aren't as qualified to do the job

Lol, that sucks. Where is "over here"?

 

[kelvin070]

Ok, so then give scholarships based on need (poorness) and based on previous academic performance, but don't give them based on race. I'd prefer not to think on racial lines, but that is exactly what giving scholarships based on race is doing!


Lol, that sucks. Where is "over here"?

Scholarships cannot be given out solely based on needs alone. Nations need the best brains for the government and economy. The Ivy League schools offer scholarships and they are never based on needs. Its based on meritocracy. However certain minority groups need special help so that they too can have some upward mobility

 

[SgtSpike]

Scholarships cannot be given out solely based on needs alone. Nations need the best brains for the government and economy. The Ivy League schools offer scholarships and they are never based on needs. Its based on meritocracy. However certain minority groups need special help so that they too can have some upward mobility

Ok, I completely agree about scholarships being given based on meritocracy. So here we have the following things to base scholarships off of:
- Need
- Academic performance
- Meritocracy
- Race?

You still haven't given any valid reason for why scholarships should be given based on race. Except vague arguments about lack of "upward mobility".

I mean, what are you even talking about? How is a smart Chinese guy any different from a smart white guy? What kind of disadvantages or lack of "upward mobility" does he have? They should be treated as equals - as the same people. The Chinese guy shouldn't be given more money just because he's Chinese - that's blatant racism as clear as any definition I've ever seen.

 

[kelvin070]

Not to worry, the great Obama will come to the rescue and be rest assured your grouses will be considered

 

[Strauss]

Scholarships cannot be given out solely based on needs alone. Nations need the best brains for the government and economy. The Ivy League schools offer scholarships and they are never based on needs. Its based on meritocracy. However certain minority groups need special help so that they too can have some upward mobility

As the father of a daughter who is currently applying to Ivy league schools (they call her requesting her to apply and yes I'm bragging) you couldn't more wrong. Yale, for example (just did the tour---great campus) ONLY gives money based on need. In fact, if you go to the Yale web site they have a calculator that will give you a rough estimate of how much you will have to pay of the $50 grand annual tuition and board. They don't even have athletic scholarships for football etc (and if you saw the football team you can see the effect).

 

[kelvin070]

I guess your daughter's case is based on both need and meritocracy. A needy smart student deserves the best.

 

[Strauss]

I guess your daughter's case is based on both need and meritocracy. A needy smart student deserves the best.

You misunderstand....she's getting calls because she is brilliant (yes I'm bragging again) and she will get no aid from Yale or any other Ivy league school (if she decides to go to one) because it is need based. My family has no need, comprehend?

 

[SgtSpike]

Not to worry, the great Obama will come to the rescue and be rest assured your grouses will be considered

Guess you don't have a good answer to my questions then?

I wonder if I could sue my college for racism...

 

[sierrabravo]

Guess you don't have a good answer to my questions then?

I wonder if I could sue my college for racism...

i'm just gonna go jump out in front of a car, sue the driver, and sue the guy that stands there not helping do cpr on me :24::sarcasm

 

[kelvin070]

You misunderstand....she's getting calls because she is brilliant (yes I'm bragging again) and she will get no aid from Yale or any other Ivy league school (if she decides to go to one) because it is need based. My family has no need, comprehend?

Yeah, got you

 

[kelvin070]

Guess you don't have a good answer to my questions then?

I wonder if I could sue my college for racism...

Yeah, dont really have a good answer but it was worth the Tokenz