Religious Inconsistencies

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Minor Axis

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This isn't true at all stop it

No, not every religious person is like this, so it should not be a blanket statement. But I'd say intelligence and reason are mocked by a certain segment of the religious community when it rubs against or attempts to doubt their dogma. That is a true statement. Look at what's happening in Louisiana right now regarding public education. It is shocking and disillusioning to see the steps we are taking backwards. It's worse today then when I was a kid 1960's-70's.
 
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Take the picture out of this and look at the statement. I think this is true of our society, relatively. I'd say looking at what sells in this country it loves violent movies/games/etc and it loves idiot celebrities. Learning and pro-social behavior isn't quite as appealing to the country.

Now is that religion's fault? I don't see a correlation, no.
 

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Take the picture out of this and look at the statement. I think this is true of our society, relatively. I'd say looking at what sells in this country it loves violent movies/games/etc and it loves idiot celebrities. Learning and pro-social behavior isn't quite as appealing to the country.

Now is that religion's fault? I don't see a correlation, no.

go into the bowels of Detroit and you will find your observation to be spot on. I don't blame it on religion though. Part of it is a drug culture where they rationalize avoiding education and going after the easy fast buck selling drugs. Then you have a decline in the family unit where it is acceptable for women to have children out of wedlock. It is to some almost a badge of honor to see how many women some guys can get pregnant.
 

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go into the bowels of Detroit and you will find your observation to be spot on. I don't blame it on religion though. Part of it is a drug culture where they rationalize avoiding education and going after the easy fast buck selling drugs. Then you have a decline in the family unit where it is acceptable for women to have children out of wedlock. It is to some almost a badge of honor to see how many women some guys can get pregnant.

There are two different issues in that poster making it somewhat confusing. I don't think most religious people celebrate violence and they'd claim they don't celebrate ignorance, but the facts are that for some of them when their faith is questioned by something like science, in essence they do celebrate ignorance.
 

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There are two different issues in that poster making it somewhat confusing. I don't think most religious people celebrate violence and they'd claim they don't celebrate ignorance, but the facts are that for some of them when their faith is questioned by something like science, in essence they do celebrate ignorance.

The root of this thread is trying to establish absolutes from elements that do express what is being criticized.
Not all Christians are fundamentalist nor all atheists of a Stalinist mentality.
And there are 'shades' that do exist between those extremes.
 

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The most dangerous statement I've heard in a while: "After the Christian majority takes control, pluralism will be seen as immoral, evil, and the state will not permit it."

Indeed.
That quote is all over the Internet.
I've done a search for the original source of the quote and haven't found it.
Does anyone have a link to the original article/speech or video that this was derived from?
 

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Indeed.
That quote is all over the Internet.
I've done a search for the original source of the quote and haven't found it.
Does anyone have a link to the original article/speech or video that this was derived from?

Work on your google skills ;)... however, I can't say this is an original source: http://eviltheists.com/religious-extremists/149-gary-potter-catholics-for-christian-political-action

The root of this thread is trying to establish absolutes from elements that do express what is being criticized.
Not all Christians are fundamentalist nor all atheists of a Stalinist mentality.
And there are 'shades' that do exist between those extremes.

Absolutely.
 
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Now is that religion's fault? I don't see a correlation, no.

I do. Religion plays a huge part in denying the impact humans have on the planet as well as attempting to deny women's reproductive rights. Think of all the religious idiots that want creationism taught and evolution banished from curriculum. That is what is meant by reason being mocked.

The drug/thug culture plays a part.

Hollywood plays a part.

The gun culture plays a part.

Welfare abusers play a part.

Right wing idiots that get their news from FOX and Hannity et al play a HUGE part in the lack of reason.

While religion may not be the sole cause, it certainly adds a high level of ignorance to the idiocy, especially the right wing idiocy part - they go hand-in-hand.
 

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I do. Religion plays a huge part in denying the impact humans have on the planet as well as attempting to deny women's reproductive rights. Think of all the religious idiots that want creationism taught and evolution banished from curriculum. That is what is meant by reason being mocked.

The drug/thug culture plays a part.

Hollywood plays a part.

The gun culture plays a part.

Welfare abusers play a part.

Right wing idiots that get their news from FOX and Hannity et al play a HUGE part in the lack of reason.

While religion may not be the sole cause, it certainly adds a high level of ignorance to the idiocy, especially the right wing idiocy part - they go hand-in-hand.


What?....you leaving out left wing socialists ?....:D...:D...:D
 

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Work on your logic skills.

That's the same quote as all over the Internet.......I'm looking for the source that the quote came from, a speech, article or video that Potter wrote/constructed, not a copy and paste of the quote.....the article/speech or video it came from.

Maybe the Catholics For Political Action don't publish his speeches? You looking for proof he did not say it?

He is quoted in this book: Deception By Design
 

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I do. Religion plays a huge part in denying the impact humans have on the planet as well as attempting to deny women's reproductive rights. Think of all the religious idiots that want creationism taught and evolution banished from curriculum. That is what is meant by reason being mocked.

The drug/thug culture plays a part.

Hollywood plays a part.

The gun culture plays a part.

Welfare abusers play a part.

Right wing idiots that get their news from FOX and Hannity et al play a HUGE part in the lack of reason.

While religion may not be the sole cause, it certainly adds a high level of ignorance to the idiocy, especially the right wing idiocy part - they go hand-in-hand.

I think the causes for that original statement being accurate are too spread out to put a picture of a church behind it, is all. There are lots of things, like you list, and like AA mentioned correctly that cause our society to be heavy on dumb/cruel and low on smart/kind :p
 

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Maybe the Catholics For Political Action don't publish his speeches? You looking for proof he did not say it?

He is quoted in this book: Deception By Design


You looking for proof he did not say it?
No....he appears to be a small time activist and not very note worthy beyond his rhetoric.
Potter doesn't show up in Wikipedia, so he's not likely to be or have been influential.

I'm only interested out of curiosity.


There is a short list of articles here, but nothing on a word search.
http://catholicism.org/author/garypotter

It appears the quote likely came from newsletters he sends out.....
he began his career in Catholic journalism in 1966 as a founding editor of the legendary Triumph magazine. Besides Triumph and two publications of which he later was editor, Truth & Justice and CCPA News & Views (the publication of Catholics for Christian Political Action), articles by him have appeared in National Review, Human Events, the New York Times, the Washington Post, the National Catholic Register, Faith & Reason, The Wanderer, The Remnant, The Angelus, From the Housetops and numerous other places. He is the author of After the Boston Heresy Case, and has a book in the works on the Social Kingship of Our Lord Jesus Christ. Mr. Potter lives with his wife, Virginia, in Washington, D.C.


He does sell past articles/speches/whatever here:
http://store.catholicism.org/browse-by-speaker/potter-mr-gary/

I'm not interested in forking out money to read/hear what else he believes in......it's my money, after all :D
 

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I see, only quoting bits of the bible. Again misunderstanding something you really don't read properly. Plus lots of the Bible are mistranlated because until the 19th Century AD, the human race did not have any spelling standardisation. I think you also need to read the full verse to understand that he was questioning people because of their foolish ways
 

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I see, only quoting bits of the bible. Again misunderstanding something you really don't read properly.

When I discuss the Bible with people who have doctorate degrees (related to religion) from respected universities (not from Rev Billy Bubba's Georgia divinity school) they usually point out how many times the Bible is taken out of contex when one quotes scripture.

I find it ironic that there are those who claim the same thing with those who read the Koran.
 
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When I discuss the Bible with people who have doctorate degrees (related to religion) from respected universities (not from Rev Billy Bubba's Georgia divinity school) they usually point out how many times the Bible is taken out of contex when one quotes scripture.

I find it ironic that there are those who claim the same thing with those who read the Koran.

Damn Joe - you prove yet again you lack reading and comprehension skills. Tell us, o' Joe who discusses the bible with PhD's, what these verses mean. Gotta be mistranslated, right?

Kill People Who Don't Listen to Priests
Anyone arrogant enough to reject the verdict of the judge or of the priest who represents the LORD your God must be put to death. Such evil must be purged from Israel. (Deuteronomy 17:12 NLT)

Kill Witches
You should not let a sorceress live. (Exodus 22:17 NAB)

Kill Homosexuals
"If a man lies with a male as with a women, both of them shall be put to death for their abominable deed; they have forfeited their lives." (Leviticus 20:13 NAB)

Kill Fortunetellers
A man or a woman who acts as a medium or fortuneteller shall be put to death by stoning; they have no one but themselves to blame for their death. (Leviticus 20:27 NAB)

Death for Hitting Dad
Whoever strikes his father or mother shall be put to death. (Exodus 21:15 NAB)

Death for Cursing Parents
1) If one curses his father or mother, his lamp will go out at the coming of darkness. (Proverbs 20:20 NAB)
2) All who curse their father or mother must be put to death. They are guilty of a capital offense. (Leviticus 20:9 NLT)

Death for Adultery
If a man commits adultery with another man's wife, both the man and the woman must be put to death. (Leviticus 20:10 NLT)

Death for Fornication
A priest's daughter who loses her honor by committing fornication and thereby dishonors her father also, shall be burned to death. (Leviticus 21:9 NAB)

Death to Followers of Other Religions
Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed. (Exodus 22:19 NAB)

Kill Nonbelievers
They entered into a covenant to seek the Lord, the God of their fathers, with all their heart and soul; and everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman. (2 Chronicles 15:12-13 NAB)

Kill False Prophets
If a man still prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall say to him, "You shall not live, because you have spoken a lie in the name of the Lord." When he prophesies, his parents, father and mother, shall thrust him through. (Zechariah 13:3 NAB)

Kill the Entire Town if One Person Worships Another God
Suppose you hear in one of the towns the LORD your God is giving you that some worthless rabble among you have led their fellow citizens astray by encouraging them to worship foreign gods. In such cases, you must examine the facts carefully. If you find it is true and can prove that such a detestable act has occurred among you, you must attack that town and completely destroy all its inhabitants, as well as all the livestock. Then you must pile all the plunder in the middle of the street and burn it. Put the entire town to the torch as a burnt offering to the LORD your God. That town must remain a ruin forever; it may never be rebuilt. Keep none of the plunder that has been set apart for destruction. Then the LORD will turn from his fierce anger and be merciful to you. He will have compassion on you and make you a great nation, just as he solemnly promised your ancestors. "The LORD your God will be merciful only if you obey him and keep all the commands I am giving you today, doing what is pleasing to him." (Deuteronomy 13:13-19 NLT)

Kill Women Who Are Not Virgins On Their Wedding Night
But if this charge is true (that she wasn't a virgin on her wedding night), and evidence of the girls virginity is not found, they shall bring the girl to the entrance of her fathers house and there her townsman shall stone her to death, because she committed a crime against Israel by her unchasteness in her father's house. Thus shall you purge the evil from your midst. (Deuteronomy 22:20-21 NAB)

Kill Followers of Other Religions.
1)If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst. (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)

2) Suppose a man or woman among you, in one of your towns that the LORD your God is giving you, has done evil in the sight of the LORD your God and has violated the covenant by serving other gods or by worshiping the sun, the moon, or any of the forces of heaven, which I have strictly forbidden. When you hear about it, investigate the matter thoroughly. If it is true that this detestable thing has been done in Israel, then that man or woman must be taken to the gates of the town and stoned to death. (Deuteronomy 17:2-5 NLT)

Death for Blasphemy
One day a man who had an Israelite mother and an Egyptian father got into a fight with one of the Israelite men. During the fight, this son of an Israelite woman blasphemed the LORD's name. So the man was brought to Moses for judgment. His mother's name was Shelomith. She was the daughter of Dibri of the tribe of Dan. They put the man in custody until the LORD's will in the matter should become clear. Then the LORD said to Moses, "Take the blasphemer outside the camp, and tell all those who heard him to lay their hands on his head. Then let the entire community stone him to death. Say to the people of Israel: Those who blaspheme God will suffer the consequences of their guilt and be punished. Anyone who blasphemes the LORD's name must be stoned to death by the whole community of Israel. Any Israelite or foreigner among you who blasphemes the LORD's name will surely die. (Leviticus 24:10-16 NLT)

Kill False Prophets
1) Suppose there are prophets among you, or those who have dreams about the future, and they promise you signs or miracles, and the predicted signs or miracles take place. If the prophets then say, 'Come, let us worship the gods of foreign nations,' do not listen to them. The LORD your God is testing you to see if you love him with all your heart and soul. Serve only the LORD your God and fear him alone. Obey his commands, listen to his voice, and cling to him. The false prophets or dreamers who try to lead you astray must be put to death, for they encourage rebellion against the LORD your God, who brought you out of slavery in the land of Egypt. Since they try to keep you from following the LORD your God, you must execute them to remove the evil from among you.(Deuteronomy 13:1-5 NLT)

2) But any prophet who claims to give a message from another god or who falsely claims to speak for me must die.' You may wonder, 'How will we know whether the prophecy is from the LORD or not?' If the prophet predicts something in the LORD's name and it does not happen, the LORD did not give the message. That prophet has spoken on his own and need not be feared. (Deuteronomy 18:20-22 NLT)

Infidels and Gays Should Die
So God let them go ahead and do whatever shameful things their hearts desired. As a result, they did vile and degrading things with each other's bodies. Instead of believing what they knew was the truth about God, they deliberately chose to believe lies. So they worshiped the things God made but not the Creator himself, who is to be praised forever. Amen. That is why God abandoned them to their shameful desires. Even the women turned against the natural way to have sex and instead indulged in sex with each other. And the men, instead of having normal sexual relationships with women, burned with lust for each other. Men did shameful things with other men and, as a result, suffered within themselves the penalty they so richly deserved. When they refused to acknowledge God, he abandoned them to their evil minds and let them do things that should never be done. Their lives became full of every kind of wickedness, sin, greed, hate, envy, murder, fighting, deception, malicious behavior, and gossip. They are backstabbers, haters of God, insolent, proud, and boastful. They are forever inventing new ways of sinning and are disobedient to their parents. They refuse to understand, break their promises, and are heartless and unforgiving. They are fully aware of God's death penalty for those who do these things, yet they go right ahead and do them anyway. And, worse yet, they encourage others to do them, too. (Romans 1:24-32 NLT)
 
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