Rapist undergoes castration.

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Actually child abuse will dramatically make a person more susceptible to do certain things, like rape, killing, stealing etc etc. I don't think you can say 100% that their past has no sway on aggression and the like. All of our actions are influenced by past events.

Of course our actions are influenced by the past. But we CHOOSE to handle the future in preferably non-aggressive ways despite our past. All of us can fly off the handle or get mad or throw things. All of us have said, "I could just kill so-and-so". But how many take it that far? Very few, because we can control that agrression. My point is that for the ones who cannot control it, there may very well be a logical explanation in the hormone elevation. Lower that and the person is able to exert their choices again

 

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Of course our actions are influenced by the past. But we CHOOSE to handle the future in preferably non-aggressive ways despite of the past. All of us can fly off the handle or get mad or throw things. All of us have said, "I could just kill so-and-so". But how many take it that far? Very few, because we can control that agrression. My point is that for the ones who cannot control it, there may very well be a logical explanation in the hormone elevation. Lower that and the person is able to exert their choices again

Well, we have a fundamental difference in philosophy here that keeps us from agreeing: I don't think we have ultimate control over our "free will". I really really really don't want to start a free will debate here.


I agree that somehting that could lower the hormones could be doable, but I would like it to be reversible so if rehabilitation works they can fix it one day.

 

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I could see maybe somehting like a surgery to temporarily halt some testosterone production, and then have the suspect undergo strict rehabilitation programs, and if they deem him right, reverse the surgery.

I don't think a rehabilitation program while operating under lowered testosterone levels will "stick" if the levels return to that man's norm. Weren't you the one that said all experiences are chemical reactions and there is nothing else that governs the world? (And I do not want to get on the tangent of God, btw.) This follows your theory, exactly. Be consistent and agree that aggression is a reaction to a real stimulus. Remove the stimulus, and the action-reaction cycle IS broken.

 

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I don't think a rehabilitation program while operating under lowered testosterone levels will "stick" if the levels return to that man's norm. Weren't you the one that said all experiences are chemical reactions and there is nothing else that governs the world? (And I do not want to get on the tangent of God, btw.) This follows your theory, exactly. Be consistent and agree that aggression is a reaction to a real stimulus. Remove the stimulus, and the action-reaction cycle IS broken.

Reintroduce higher hormones levels gradually as therapy goes on so he gets used to it. The stimulus is a mental one in most cases here. I'm pretty much agreeing with you, I just want to fix the person in a different way.

 

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Well, we have a fundamental difference in philosophy here that keeps us from agreeing: I don't think we have ultimate control over our "free will". I really really really don't want to start a free will debate here.


I agree that somehting that could lower the hormones could be doable, but I would like it to be reversible so if rehabilitation works they can fix it one day.

Nononononono, keep that debate separate. My contention is that rehabiliatation will not work in some cases of chemicaly induced aggression. Irreversible castration is the only solution.

 

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Nononononono, keep that debate separate. My contention is that rehabiliatation will not work in some cases of chemicaly induced aggression. Irreversible castration is the only solution.

Rehabilitation could mean balancing those hormones levels though. To the point where the brain recognizes what levels should be where and when. Mix this with therapy and as time goes on I think the two will come together and work to the point of the rapist being able to function with his hormone levels, nonviolently.

 

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For the type of cases we are discussing, these are the hard core rapists. The stimulation IS the testosterone. Yes, I agree that there are those who have mental issues to deal with and those men hopefully will respond to therapy or whatever in rehabilitation. This thread is not about those types. For those who are so impaired by the hormone production within their own body...many of them will beg for the castration, for they know that is the only way they can have control.

If the rapist is raping because of abuse as a child or whatnot, the main stimulus is his abuse.

 

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[All Else Failed]

Correct.
BUT...
....we are not discussing THOSE types of men. We are discussing the men who are victims of their own hormones, who rape BECAUSE of their high testosterone levels. THOSE men are the possible recipients for castration.
Now that you understand, the debate between us is closed?
(And thank you very much...a pleasure to converse with you once again.)

Ah, sorry for the confusion.


I'm sure an injection of some sort could lower their hormone levels with some sort of surgery.

 

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[Peter Parka]

Hmmm...this all sounds very "a clockwork orange" to me. Not quite sure how I feel about this one.