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Carthage

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Ok, you mention rand an awful lot...im curious, if you have your own opinion?
Secondly, you stated earlier that education is earned, and not a privalidge?...then can i ask why u are mis-using the system?...on your own beliefs?...that you are actually taking at this very moment, and not re-paying.
Can i add on, that saying you will re-PAY in the future doesnt wash im afraid, how do i know that your next job wont be selling window panes?...quit pro quo?

Yes. Rand is just a more articulate spokesperson. In addition, she is the one who opened me up to these ideas. But I accepted them on my own because I consciously and thoughtfully determined that I also believe they are right.
Second - First of all, right now, schooling is mandatory. The next two years I will repay. you can trust me because I have principles.

What makes you think you stole it? If it was theft, someone would be after you about it. It was a gift given to you whether you wanted it or not so therefore you dont owe the government anything.
No, the government took it from the people and gave it to me. It was just a middleman. Take him out, and the equation looks like this: I'm stealing from the people. That's what voluntary public schooling is. Theft. Just like Taxation. Theft.

I tell you what theft is...

My tax dollars going to schools that produce such mean little kids:D

The school didn't produce me. I produced myself. No one in any of the schools I've ever gone to has ever preached anything I've said - they've always just preached the opposite.
 
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Yes. Rand is just a more articulate spokesperson. In addition, she is the one who opened me up to these ideas. But I accepted them on my own because I consciously and thoughtfully determined that I also believe they are right.
Second - First of all, right now, schooling is mandatory. The next two years I will repay. you can trust me because I have principles.


No, the government took it from the people and gave it to me. It was just a middleman. Take him out, and the equation looks like this: I'm stealing from the people. That's what voluntary public schooling is. Theft. Just like Taxation. Theft.



The school didn't produce me. I produced myself. No one in any of the schools I've ever gone to has ever preached anything I've said - they've always just preached the opposite.


Calm down....Really....I was playing (kinda) never meant to imply that you got anything from public schooling:D

Deep cleansing breaths...Ooooohhh Saaaaaaa
 

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YES!!!!! THANK YOU!! We finally understand each other now, I think.
Yes, you're a greedy, self centered and care for nobody unless you can get something from them.


You can fix that. Walk out. Swim out. Start a revolution. There are ways.
Easier said than done. Travel the world and see for yourself.



Or have nothing to lose.
Same thing

No, it would be usage if one of us gained and the other didn't. As we both gained - no usage.
Showing compassion simply and only if you have something to gain or nothing to lose is the same thing. You don't really care for anybody.

Add, "Or have nothing to lose by showing."
Same thing



I should have said, contradictory. You can't help someone you care for personally (which is what you originally said) and lose.
Yes you always lose something.
But it's too bad that you will sacrifice for people who mean nothing to you. Read Rand. It'll help.
Sorry, I think for myself and not follow the self centered and greedy ramblings of a hateful nut such as Rand.
 

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Ok, you mention rand an awful lot...im curious, if you have your own opinion?
No he doesn't. As I mentioned before Rand does his thinking for him but then he is a kid. Maybe when he grows up a little he will understand being greedy and self centered isn't such a great "philosophy" to live by.
 

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The school didn't produce me. I produced myself. No one in any of the schools I've ever gone to has ever preached anything I've said - they've always just preached the opposite.

So it wasn't because of your school that you typed that. You taught yourself to write all on your own did you?
 

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It's his reading of rand that made him so callous and hateful.

I am not callous and hateful.

So it wasn't because of your school that you typed that. You taught yourself to write all on your own did you?

They taught me some important things, I'll admit, but just enough to scrape by in life. Most of the stuff I know that will help me succeed in life I taught myself.
 

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You wouldn't gt anywhere in life if you couldn't read or write so you're over minimalising that.

Just got to pop out for some cider, back in half an hour, so dont go anywhere, this is too funny!:D
 

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You wouldn't gt anywhere in life if you couldn't read or write so you're over minimalising that.

Just got to pop out for some cider, back in half an hour, so dont go anywhere, this is too funny!:D
Could you bring me back a wine cooler out of the kindness of your heart? :)
 

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Is that maybe because..not all of us can be wrong? and you right??........and im gaining something, im gaining a laugh, which is needed, your gaining...experience.
 

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I should not have a free education. If the world worked my way, I'd have gotten a job as a child, and payed my own way through a cheap private school.


this is as good a place as any to jump back into this....i missed a lot
in catching up, i realized something....something that it seems most everyone here is trying to impress upon you.....the wealth of transactions that have to do with the value of an emotional state, rather than things

you're not impressed, maybe. because you're young, and emotional states are pretty much enjoyment and anger (a bit simplistic, i know)....rand has a special appeal to the young, imo, for that reason....objectivism isn't designed to deal with subtlety, nuance, or the ephemeral -solemnity, for example, or awe....it's connection to emotion is through action, and so long as emotions remain simple, objectivism can be made to work...

your quote above embodies this disparity in some ways.....you feel you haven't paid for your education....that, ideally, you must trade something for it....yet you don't see that you have been trading all along....public (free) or private (paid for) education is really all the same in terms of transaction...your self-interest keeps you going, because somewhere in those complex reaches within you, you feel the value it provides (somebody mentioned two of them -reading and writing)...so you trade time, effort, and focus in return for knowledge

and you unwittingly offer up appreciation, too....something freely given in spite of all feelings to the contrary, without thought of return.

but the simple, ojectivist side of you sees only the material side of the transaction...you should get a job and pay for the knowledge....

questions: in an ideal, objectivist society, what job would a child work at to pay for their education? how is a rate of exchange for the transaction calculated? what's to keep someone else's self interest from seeing the advantage of exploiting the child? would there be safeguards against this? would you being pay for those, as well?

the list, i believe, would go on and on, skirting the value of emotional states that have no obvious, direction connection to self interest....like empathy....in favor of material transactions

imo....objectivism doesn't really qualify as a stand alone philosophy....it exists as a one of a binary star system....the other being unthinking emotional response, that can be destructive to the entire sphere of value that it acts within.
 

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questions: in an ideal, objectivist society, what job would a child work at to pay for their education? how is a rate of exchange for the transaction calculated? what's to keep someone else's self interest from seeing the advantage of exploiting the child? would there be safeguards against this? would you being pay for those, as well?

Carthage and several other forum members are living in the dark ages. I really like Obama's quote regarding Republicans- "The Ownership Society". If you poor, you're on your own! :)
 

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Carthage and several other forum members are living in the dark ages. I really like Obama's quote regarding Republicans- "The Ownership Society". If you poor, you're on your own! :)

Would this "poor" be the same poor that, on average, own two televisions and a car? Poor is what you see in third world countries not what you see in the US.
 
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