Protest against public schools!!!!!!

[Carthage]

So by your reasoning, it's out of order that you should recieve any education then, maybe you should just stop digging yourself further and further into a hole, dude. :24::24::24:

I should not have a free education. If the world worked my way, I'd have gotten a job as a child, and payed my own way through a cheap private school.

The thing is...no matter how hard anyone trys to make carthage see the ethical reasoning...it wont matter, the seed has been planted, and its a sad thing to see in someone so young...what supprises me is that from my understanding, your parents are not financially privallidged either?...so do they agree with all your beliefs?

Mom and Dad don't agree with me at all. And no, I'm not financially privileged. And I think that reading Rand for yourself would be a good way to understand the philosophy - seriously, there's not other way. I didn't agree with her at all before I read the books.

I've got to go clean up the house before my brother gets home, I'll see you all later.
PS: Hope I haven't put anyone on my bad side. Meant no offense to anyone.

 

[Peter Parka]

The thing is...no matter how hard anyone trys to make carthage see the ethical reasoning...it wont matter, the seed has been planted, and its a sad thing to see in someone so young...what supprises me is that from my understanding, your parents are not financially privallidged either?...so do they agree with all your beliefs?

It's even more hilarious because he wants to be president of the USA one day. I know Americans have abit of history of voting in idiots (GWB) but I think them voting in someonelike Carthage is even a touch too unbelievable!:24::24::24:

 

[Tim]

First of all - I imagine that they all find more value in having a free posting site then in having a paid one (although, if they did decide to make it a pay one, I would have no qualm with it. I'd just have to stop coming).

You're missing my point little dude...

You won't give anything without it directly benefiting you ie your selfish. Yet you have no problem taking something that's freely given by others...

I'm very thankful for the generosity of others. The world would be a VERY sad place indeed if everyone were as selfish as you proclaim to be.

 

[gLing]

How do you define using somebody? I define it as getting a value from them and giving nothing in return.

You defined it for me.

Time usually isn't as important to me as life. So while I might be losing some time that isn't really that important to me anyways, I will have saved someones life. That persons life has a value to me because they are a person, and that value is usually more important then time. That's the smallest thing I think I could lose. The money - a persons life is worth more then a few hundred bucks. I'd save it if that was all I stood to loose. The potential value of the person is worth the loss.
I jumped the gun on the rock-path-saving-life sentence, my mistake. Although saving a life does have some morality attached to it, (more then moving a rock), I still don't believe it's a huge moral thing that you need to be praised for.

Oh so you help somebody only if you have nothing important to lose or if you have something to gain from them. I get you.

Name an instance in which a person doesn't have control over their lives. You'll find that, aside from medical problems, there aren't many.

How about being born into poverty in a nation that doesn't afford much opportunity to escape. And I'm not talking about the US either.

No, I give a shit. I just am not going to sacrifice for them.

You only give a shit if you have something to gain. You said so yourself. Again that isn't compassion, that's just using people.
You said- " First of all - compassion is shown to those whom I believe I have something to gain from. "

Your definition is irrational - if you care about someone, you don't have much you can lose. You may lose stuff, but it's made up for by the existence of someone you care for (value) . If that person is incredibly important to you, you can't lose. Whatever you may lose is made up for by their continued existence and happiness.

Nothing irrational about what I said. Unlike you I'll help people if I can whether they are important to me personally or not.

 

[Peter Parka]

So Carthage, at the first available oportunity, drop out of school, deliberately flunk your exams while you're at it because you dont believe you should be entitled to it. Then get a job in McDonalds or something because without any education, that's the highest you could hope to achieve and spend the rest of your life living in poverty. If you dont, you are just a huge hypocrite.

 

[skyblue]

and that free milk you get in the playground carthage.......give it back

 

[Peter Parka]

and that free milk you get in the playground carthage.......give it back

:24::24::24:
I just had to rep Carthage for giving me the best laugh I've had in a while! :24::24:

 

[wednesday]

:24::24::24:
I just had to rep Carthage for giving me the best laugh I've had in a while! :24::24:

Does that mean he owes you now?...or do you have to pay him?:willy_nilly:

 

[Peter Parka]

How on earth would I be holding people to ransom? They don't have a right to my product. If they demand that I give it away for free, or even just sell it for a lower price, they are holding me at ransom, claiming that they have a right to what I've created and that I should sacrifice to them. AND I DO NOT SACRIFICE.

Would you lower your prices if it was for Ted Kennedy's brain tumour though?

Does that mean he owes you now?...or do you have to pay him?:willy_nilly:

Oh yeah, rep me Carthage, dammit!!! It would be hypocritical of you not to. If you dont you make Rand a sad panda! :24::24::24:

 

[Carthage]

So Carthage, at the first available oportunity, drop out of school, deliberately flunk your exams while you're at it because you dont believe you should be entitled to it. Then get a job in McDonalds or something because without any education, that's the highest you could hope to achieve and spend the rest of your life living in poverty. If you dont, you are just a huge hypocrite.

No, I plan on going through with the last 2 years of free education, as much of a pain as it will be. But I plan on paying back what I stole, eventually.

Does that mean he owes you now?...or do you have to pay him?:willy_nilly:

He gained a value from reading my post. Then he showed it by repping me. Traded. I gained, he gained. We both gained.

Would you lower your prices if it was for Ted Kennedy's brain tumour though?

No.

Oh yeah, rep me Carthage, dammit!!! It would be hypocritical of you not to. If you dont you make Rand a sad panda! :24::24::24:

:24:That was funny. As such, I will rep you for it.

 

[wednesday]

Can i ask one small question....as you are from public schooling...do you consider yourself to be well educated? smart?...will suceed in life?

 

[Carthage]

You defined it for me.

Okay then. But it's a contradiction to say that I'm not getting anything from them if I'm trading with them.

Oh so you help somebody only if you have nothing important to lose or if you have something to gain from them. I get you.

YES!!!!! THANK YOU!! We finally understand each other now, I think.

How about being born into poverty in a nation that doesn't afford much opportunity to escape. And I'm not talking about the US either.

You can fix that. Walk out. Swim out. Start a revolution. There are ways.

You only give a shit if you have something to gain.

Or have nothing to lose.

You said so yourself. Again that isn't compassion, that's just using people.

No, it would be usage if one of us gained and the other didn't. As we both gained - no usage.

You said- "

First of all - compassion is shown to those whom I believe I have something to gain from. "

Add, "Or have nothing to lose by showing."

Nothing irrational about what I said. Unlike you I'll help people if I can whether they are important to me personally or not.

I should have said, contradictory. You can't help someone you care for personally (which is what you originally said) and lose.
But it's too bad that you will sacrifice for people who mean nothing to you. Read Rand. It'll help.

 

[Peter Parka]

No, I plan on going through with the last 2 years of free education, as much of a pain as it will be. But I plan on paying back what I stole, eventually.



He gained a value from reading my post. Then he showed it by repping me. Traded. I gained, he gained. We both gained.

In that case you are a hypocrite because you will be using something you despise and oppose to pay it back - free education which you dont think you are entitled to.

The only value I got from it was comedic value but I'll give you that one, granted!:24:

 

[Carthage]

Can i ask one small question....as you are from public schooling...do you consider yourself to be well educated? smart?...will suceed in life?

Yes, but this is not because of the public schools. It's from my own personal outside of school education, which I have taken upon myself to preform. The school I went to was not going to help me at all. Going there was just a waste of time.

 

[Carthage]

In that case you are a hypocrite because you will be using something you despise and oppose to pay it back - free education which you dont think you are entitled to.

The only value I got from it was comedic value but I'll give you that one, granted!:24:

It won't be hypocritical, as I will pay back what I stole. Unfortunately, in this society, the choice is steal or poverty. I plan on eliminating this choice, but in order for me to do this, I have to make the choice.

 

[wednesday]

Ok, you mention rand an awful lot...im curious, if you have your own opinion?
Secondly, you stated earlier that education is earned, and not a privalidge?...then can i ask why u are mis-using the system?...on your own beliefs?...that you are actually taking at this very moment, and not re-paying.
Can i add on, that saying you will re-PAY in the future doesnt wash im afraid, how do i know that your next job wont be selling window panes?...quit pro quo?

 

[Peter Parka]

It won't be hypocritical, as I will pay back what I stole. Unfortunately, in this society, the choice is steal or poverty. I plan on eliminating this choice, but in order for me to do this, I have to make the choice.

What makes you think you stole it? If it was theft, someone would be after you about it. It was a gift given to you whether you wanted it or not so therefore you dont owe the government anything.

 

[BadBoy@TheWheel]

What makes you think you stole it? If it was theft, someone would be after you about it. It was a gift given to you whether you wanted it or not so therefore you dont owe the government anything.

I tell you what theft is...

My tax dollars going to schools that produce such mean little kids

 

[Peter Parka]

I tell you what theft is...

My tax dollars going to schools that produce such mean little kids

Amen, brother!:surrender

 

[wednesday]

Im gonna leave it on this note...i put it all down to your age, when you grow up, and see and live reality, come back, and prove us all wrong. take care x