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So, while I was sitting in 6th period today, thinking about how I didn't do my project, I thought of something. Do you think parents should be allowed to have authority concerning their child's education? I mean, is it right for a child to be punished for not doing the work, whatever the reason, should parents pressure their kids and force them to get all A's or B's or whatever or face getting severely punished(I know some friends like this)? I understand that parents are the legal guardians, and do have a say in their child's life, but at the same time, the child's actions pertaining to their education doesn't really affect the parents' lives, so should they be allowed to ground them? I also understand that a parent wants their kid to do good in school and succeed, but punishing a child doesn't always mean that they'll do better in school. The child is the one that will be affected when they don't get a good education and try to make it in the real world.

Also, take into consideration today's changing world. We live in a society where education used to be very important, but now, although still important, isn't required to get a good, decent-paying job. You can fail school and become a singer or be in a band, and make millions, as opposed to getting a high school diploma, going to college, becoming a business man, and making $50,000 a year.

So what do you think? Should parents be allowed to have authority concerning their child's education?
 
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I laughed and threw up a little after reading your op. :ninja

So, while I was sitting in 6th period today, thinking about how I didn't do my project
Grand. :eek

I thought of something.
Did smoke come out of your ears? :jk

Do you think parents should be allowed to have authority concerning their child's education?
Well yeah. Duh! :wtf:

I mean, is it right for a child to be punished for not doing the work,
There should be consequences, yes. Parents need to teach their kids to be responsible. As a child, one of your responsibilities is doing your schoolwork. ;)

whatever the reason, should parents pressure their kids and force them to get all A's or B's or whatever or face getting severely punished(I know some friends like this)?
Depending on knowing what the child is capable of, they should be held to that standard and encouraged to challenge themselves. This will help them to fend for themselves in life when they become an adult and are on their own.

I understand that parents are the legal guardians, and do have a say in their child's life, but at the same time, the child's actions pertaining to their education doesn't really affect the parents' lives
Everything anybody does, good or bad, effects the world around them. Our actions are like a rock dropped into a pool of water. The ripples effect beyond what you can see.

so should they be allowed to ground them?
Of course, especially if that helps to bring about positive results.

I also understand that a parent wants their kid to do good in school and succeed, but punishing a child doesn't always mean that they'll do better in school.
For those types of kids, other creative forms of discipline should be used.

The child is the one that will be affected when they don't get a good education and try to make it in the real world.
No the child will not be the only one to be effected. The parents will be effected and the world will be effected as well. It goes back to that whole ripple effect I was referring to.

Also, take into consideration today's changing world. We live in a society where education used to be very important, but now, although still important, isn't required to get a good, decent-paying job.
In today's world it is very important to get a good education to get a decent paying job. Most jobs will not even look at you for an interview unless you have some type of degree or certification.

You can fail school and become a singer or be in a band, and make millions, as opposed to getting a high school diploma, going to college, becoming a business man, and making $50,000 a year.
No offense, but that is immaturity talking. Even if you were a singer in a band, it is always important to have something to fall back on. Plus there is more to life when it comes to education than just how it pertains to the almighty dollar.

So what do you think? Should parents be allowed to have authority concerning their child's education?
Absolutely.

(take in mind my post is geared from the standpoint of a parent that loves and adores her children)

There are abusive parents out there that don't even deserve to have kids - but that of course is a different thread altogether.
 

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Good topic Dodge. Should get some interesting responses.

I'll answer it this way for now as I'm pressed for time.

Well, parents need to be concerned about their child's education. Because of their young ages children are generally not as concerned about school work as they might need to be. That gets in the way of the fun stuff.

That's where adults come in, teachers and parents to guide them accordingly to create a balance. And, as adults, recognizing the importance of a good education and how it impacts upon their future, try to impart that aspect of it to them. It's about a good foundation.
 
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Yes, parents have every right to push their kids to their best potential. Kids are lazy. They won't do it on their own. The problem with today's generation is they think things should be handed to them on a silver platter and cry like babies when it isn't. Can't hit my kids? WTF? This is why teachers can't teach, because kids don't respect authority. Any child under 18 who talks back to their parent should have their teeth kindly displaced by a back of the hand.

I'm appalled that you think you can get a good paying job without education. In today's society, education is more important than ever. How many stars are there really? How many people in this world? Easy to figure out the statistics, oh wait, you weren't paying attention in math class. My bad. I repeat my comment before, I am worried about this generation growing up and controlling my social security.
 

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I laughed and threw up a little after reading your op. :ninja

Good to know I make you puke. But if you could meet me in person for 5 minutes and witness how I act at school with my friends, you'd probably puke a few more times.

There should be consequences, yes. Parents need to teach their kids to be responsible. As a child, one of your responsibilities is doing your schoolwork. ;)

But schoolwork doesn't always help in the real world. Albert Einstein failed high school, and we recognize him as one of the world's greatest geniuses. My brother is friends with the lead singer of The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. Well, the lead singer almost failed high school, he passed with very low grades, but look at him now. Making millions in a band that only started out as a talent show event.

Depending on knowing what the child is capable of, they should be held to that standard and encouraged to challenge themselves. This will help them to fend for themselves in life when they become an adult and are on their own.

Understandable, but education is not a constant variable. Grades change, people have off days, they can drop, so holding a person to a standard and basically saying, "Get an A or you're grounded from the computer, cell-phone, mall, etc." is harsh. My grandmother would whip my mom with a belt as a child if she got anything lower than a B.

Everything anybody does, good or bad, effects the world around them. Our actions are like a rock dropped into a pool of water. The ripples effect beyond what you can see.

Then, if you will, explain to me how a person failing school negatively affects the parents. Or anyone around them for that matter. I do know about the Butterfly Effect, but failing school doesn't cause a ripple effect, other than in the life of the person that fails. As I said, I have an F in one class, but my parents aren't being affected by it, other than having to tell me that I need to bring it up.

For those types of kids, other creative forms of discipline should be used.

What about encouragement and positive reinforcement? If they do very good in school, give them something they like. Eventually, they'll realize that the need to do that.

In today's world it is very important to get a good education to get a decent paying job. Most jobs will not even look at you for an interview unless you have some type of degree or certification.

If you refer back to what I said above, this is not true. Not all jobs are like that. I believe it was James that said this: Say you own a car garage. You can hire only one of two people: Guy number one just graduated from college. He has a high school diploma, college degree, and mastered in mechanics. Guy number two dropped out of high school to work for his dad in a garage. He doesn't have a high school diploma or college degree, but he's obviously got more experience.

An education is good, and it helps, but knowing the square root of x minus a fraction doesn't help you in every day life.

No offense, but that is immaturity talking. Even if you were a singer in a band, it is always important to have something to fall back on. Plus there is more to life when it comes to education than just how it pertains to the almighty dollar.

How is that immature? Please explain. Sure, there is more to life than how to earn money, but the main reason people say that you need an education, is to get a good job. Have you ever been at the grocery store, trying to buy something, and had the cashier say, "Whoa whoa whoa. You can't buy that unless I see your high school diploma little lady!"

Here's a good quote that fits this situation: "Money doesn't buy happiness, but it sure does make life a whole lot easier". You can't do anything without money really. No house, no car, no clothes.

Also, on the subject of money, here's another good quote from a really good comedian, Daniel Tosh: "Money doesn't buy happiness, but it does by a wave runner. Have you ever seen a sad person on a wave runner? I didn't think so."

Life is mostly about how much money you have, because without it, you can't do very much. It shouldn't matter if you have an education or not, as long as you can do the job well and earn the money.

Yes, parents have every right to push their kids to their best potential. Kids are lazy. They won't do it on their own. The problem with today's generation is they think things should be handed to them on a silver platter and cry like babies when it isn't. Can't hit my kids? WTF? This is why teachers can't teach, because kids don't respect authority. Any child under 18 who talks back to their parent should have their teeth kindly displaced by a back of the hand.

I'm appalled that you think you can get a good paying job without education. In today's society, education is more important than ever. How many stars are there really? How many people in this world? Easy to figure out the statistics, oh wait, you weren't paying attention in math class. My bad. I repeat my comment before, I am worried about this generation growing up and controlling my social security.

I'm going to ignore the first paragraph, so I don't get another infraction. Now, as I said, you CAN get a good paying job without education. How many stars? There are thousands of stars. But that's all I'll say about your post, because it's pissing me off the more I read it.

To clear things up, when I say "Child" I don't mean just little kids. A high school student counts as a parent's child.
 
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Understandable, but education is not a constant variable. Grades change, people have off days, they can drop, so holding a person to a standard and basically saying, "Get an A or you're grounded from the computer, cell-phone, mall, etc." is harsh. My grandmother would whip my mom with a belt as a child if she got anything lower than a B.

This is an excuse, not an explanation. As a child going to school, you have one job and that is to study and learn. You have no job, no bills, no kids, no responsibilities. There's no excuse why you can't get an A or B in every class, unless your lazy or have a learning disability.
 

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This is an excuse, not an explanation. As a child going to school, you have one job and that is to study and learn. You have no job, no bills, no kids, no responsibilities. There's no excuse why you can't get an A or B in every class, unless your lazy or have a learning disability.

That is not true. Are you blind to the fact that not every person is a genius? Some people are weak with math, some with science, etc. The list goes on. It shouldn't be required to have an A or B in every class. If it was, they wouldn't have C's and D's, just A, B, and F. As for having no excuse, there is peer pressure, stress, etc. Teens go through a lot. If you must know, I have ADHD, so I don't just fail because I'm lazy or stupid.

Oh oh...the ole multi-quote fight, it's gonna get serious now.

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Word! :cool Rep'd for the humor :D
 
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That is not true. Are you blind to the fact that not every person is a genius? Some people are weak with math, some with science, etc. The list goes on. It shouldn't be required to have an A or B in every class. If it was, they wouldn't have C's and D's, just A, B, and F. As for having no excuse, there is peer pressure, stress, etc. Teens go through a lot. If you must know, I have ADHD, so I don't just fail because I'm lazy or stupid.




Word! :cool Rep'd for the humor :D

Nope, I know not everyone is smart. But since ALL public schools teach to the "C" student level, its not hard to get an A or B with very little effort. I would bet a million dollars that you do not have true ADHD. This is a mis-diagnosed and overused excuse for parents and teachers who don't have the time nor the patience.
 

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Nope, I know not everyone is smart. But since ALL public schools teach to the "C" student level, its not hard to get an A or B with very little effort. I would bet a million dollars that you do not have true ADHD. This is a mis-diagnosed and overused excuse for parents and teachers who don't have the time nor the patience.

Again, that is not true. Maybe in your state they do, but not in mine. If they did teach here at a C-student level, then my Medical Skills teacher wouldn't be giving us 30 words every week to define, memorize, and take a test on, all in only 5 days. As for my ADHD, excuse my rudeness, but you don't know shit about me. You've never met me, so you can't judge that. I've been on 2 different types of medication for my ADHD, and I've been taking medication for over 5 or 6 years now. If that was a misdiagnoses, then it was the biggest, worst fuck-up I've seen in a long time. If it was a misdiagnoses, explain to me why I am off the walls crazy, hyper, talking non-stop and twitching from wanting to get up and move around when I don't take my medication, but when I take it, I'm calm, more alert, and I can focus better. I can even notice very small details that nobody around me can.

Also, no offense to Grace, but I wanted to point out the irony(Hey, I'm the official OTz grammar nazi after all) in the fact that Grace was saying education was very important in today's society, yet she used the wrong form of the word effect four times in her first reply to me.

Affect(The word I used)- to act on; produce an effect or change in: Cold weather affected the crops.

Effect(The word Grace used)- something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence: Exposure to the sun had the effect of toughening his skin.

Also, Venom, you typed misdiagnoses wrong, there's no hyphen.
 
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Again, that is not true. Maybe in your state they do, but not in mine. If they did teach here at a C-student level, then my Medical Skills teacher wouldn't be giving us 30 words every week to define, memorize, and take a test on, all in only 5 days. As for my ADHD, excuse my rudeness, but you don't know shit about me. You've never met me, so you can't judge that. I've been on 2 different types of medication for my ADHD, and I've been taking medication for over 5 or 6 years now. If that was a misdiagnoses, then it was the biggest, worst fuck-up I've seen in a long time. If it was a misdiagnoses, explain to me why I am off the walls crazy, hyper, talking non-stop and twitching from wanting to get up and move around when I don't take my medication, but when I take it, I'm calm, more alert, and I can focus better. I can even notice very small details that nobody around me can.

Also, no offense to Grace, but I wanted to point out the irony(Hey, I'm the official OTz grammar nazi after all) in the fact that Grace was saying education was very important in today's society, yet she used the wrong form of the word effect four times in her first reply to me.

Affect(The word I used)- to act on; produce an effect or change in: Cold weather affected the crops.

Effect(The word Grace used)- something that is produced by an agency or cause; result; consequence: Exposure to the sun had the effect of toughening his skin.

Also, Venom, you typed misdiagnoses wrong, there's no hyphen.

You also spelled it incorrectly. I still stand firm on my assessment. ADHD is the single most misdiagnosed illness in children. You give any child a drug that "slows" them down and you will see results regardless of whether they needed it or not.

I don't blame this on the doctors totally. It usually falls on the teachers and parents who are quick to want to settle children down.
 

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I push my kids to their Full potential but in the same sense i dont push to hard when it comes to anything,My eldest is 8 years old and Very smart when it comes to numbers and half the stuff he comes out with confuses me!! The harder you push a child into doing something the more they are going to dislike it and eventually not want to do it.
Throughout highschool i was pushed to get the highest marks be the best student do my homework etc etc and i ended up getting fed up and leaving before i gained My higher School certificate in year 12.
In saying that School isnt supposed to be fun and you are there to learn however whats the use in learning something if you arent going to enjoy yourself while your learning?

 

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You also spelled it incorrectly. I still stand firm on my assessment. ADHD is the single most misdiagnosed illness in children. You give any child a drug that "slows" them down and you will see results regardless of whether they needed it or not.

I don't blame this on the doctors totally. It usually falls on the teachers and parents who are quick to want to settle children down.

Well, I just used the wrong ending letter. Misdiagnoses/misdiagnosis. Moving on. ADHD may be the most misdiagnosed disorder(Not illness. The ending D stands for disorder), but I was not misdiagnosed. Obviously you don't know how ADHD medication works, so allow me to educate you(Irony is great).

Most often, stimulant medications are used to treat ADHD. These medications are effective for people of all ages, although more research is needed on how adults respond. In general, stimulant medications improve symptoms in about 70% of people who have ADHD. There are often quick and dramatic improvements in behavior.

Although it may seem contradictory, stimulants usually decrease hyperactivity and impulsivity and improve focus. Some parents worry about their children becoming addicted to stimulants. Research has shown that these medications, when taken correctly, do not cause dependence. However, parents should closely supervise the use of ADHD medications, because abuse by siblings, classmates, and adults has been reported.

The shorter explanation is this: It's actually stimulants that help decrease ADHD symptoms and hyperactivity. The stimulants speed up the brain to the point of overloading, which causes the person to become calmer, and helping them focus easier. So actually, if you dranks a good amount of energy drinks, you could probably achieve the same effect. Which means it's actually incorrect when you tell a child that has ADHD they don't need sugar-filled substances. Which also means, Venom, giving a normal child ADHD medication wouldn't help them focus.
 

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But schoolwork doesn't always help in the real world. Albert Einstein failed high school, and we recognize him as one of the world's greatest geniuses. My brother is friends with the lead singer of The Red Jumpsuit Apparatus. Well, the lead singer almost failed high school, he passed with very low grades, but look at him now. Making millions in a band that only started out as a talent show event.

The exception, not the rule.

How is that immature? Please explain. Sure, there is more to life than how to earn money, but the main reason people say that you need an education, is to get a good job. Have you ever been at the grocery store, trying to buy something, and had the cashier say, "Whoa whoa whoa. You can't buy that unless I see your high school diploma little lady!"

An education is more than just getting a good job, it's about developing into a fully functional individual. I think you'll find that in college (and I hope you attend), you'll spend half your time unlearning the oversimplifications that are taught universally in High School. You'll also find that your frustrations over the relevance that materials presented in class have in regards to real life will disappear. School is more than fractions, decimals, and proper grammar. It's about communicating, problem solving, delegating, and improving underlying skills that are necessary to function in a professional setting.

I'm going to ignore the first paragraph, so I don't get another infraction. Now, as I said, you CAN get a good paying job without education. How many stars? There are thousands of stars. But that's all I'll say about your post, because it's pissing me off the more I read it.

Thousands? How many? Five, six? ten thousand? Ten thousand out of six billion aren't odds I'd place my future in. That's a .00017% chance. You may be special, Dodge, but you probably aren't that special.
 

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The exception, not the rule.



An education is more than just getting a good job, it's about developing into a fully functional individual. I think you'll find that in college (and I hope you attend), you'll spend half your time unlearning the oversimplifications that are taught universally in High School. You'll also find that your frustrations over the relevance that materials presented in class have in regards to real life will disappear. School is more than fractions, decimals, and proper grammar. It's about communicating, problem solving, delegating, and improving underlying skills that are necessary to function in a professional setting.



Thousands? How many? Five, six? ten thousand? Ten thousand out of six billion aren't odds I'd place my future in. That's a .00017% chance. You may be special, Dodge, but you probably aren't that special.

I'm not planning on going to an actual college, but I do want to go to film school.

As for the stars thing, think about actors, actresses, singers, song writers, drummers, guitar players, Motocross racers, skateboarders, TV stars, directors, movie writers, etc. There are a lot of them out there.
 
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