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Tim

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He is a wonderful orator. I think that in itself will go a long way into bringing America together to get things done. It's amazing what an inspirational speech can do when it fires up the people.

I just hope and pray that his words are not empty. That he is indeed the change this country needs.
 
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My personal choice would be a Centrist for president, one that truly was a mixture of the dem and rep party. But there isn't so I always have to choose only 1/2 of what I believe in as far as politics go.

Whether it is Obama or McCain, I'll be hoping and praying as well.
 

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My personal choice would be a Centrist for president, one that truly was a mixture of the dem and rep party. But there isn't so I always have to choose only 1/2 of what I believe in as far as politics go.

Whether it is Obama or McCain, I'll be hoping and praying as well.


I like your thinking on this, personally I think the only "intelligent" way to do politics, would be an independent, or more central thinking person.

Personally, partisan politics has gotten us parted...

If the old approach worked so well, nobody would be calling for change, and Obama's popularity despite some ignorance that still exists, if proof that everyone is sick of Clinton, and it appears as though republicans so far as the ones that have backed Bush all these years.

The only thing I admire about McCain, is he has gone towards the center on a lot of issues, and gotten punished by many for it....But still got the nomination, which tells me the right is moving also.
 

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Still my biggest issue with McCain is where he stands, or doesn't stand, or stands... :dunno

I understand the need to change positions sometimes. But to do it for political gain or to carry favor with your party is not a reason. Yes, he did bump head with his party on many occasions. I give him credit for that, but it seems as though he is realigning himself with the hard right. So that credit I gave him is quickly diminishing... So where does he truly stand on some of these issues?

* McCain criticized TV preacher Jerry Falwell as “an agent of intolerance” in 2002, but has since decided to cozy up to the man who said Americans “deserved” the 9/11 attacks. (Indeed, McCain has now hired Falwell’s debate coach.)

* McCain used to oppose Bush’s tax cuts for the very wealthy, but he reversed course in February.

* In 2000, McCain accused Texas businessmen Sam and Charles Wyly of being corrupt, spending “dirty money” to help finance Bush’s presidential campaign. McCain not only filed a complaint against the Wylys for allegedly violating campaign finance law, he also lashed out at them publicly. In April, McCain reached out to the Wylys for support.

* McCain supported a major campaign-finance reform measure that bore his name. In June, he abandoned his own legislation.

* McCain used to think that Grover Norquist was a crook and a corrupt shill for dictators. Then McCain got serious about running for president and began to reconcile with Norquist.

* McCain took a firm line in opposition to torture, and then caved to White House demands.

* McCain gave up on his signature policy issue, campaign-finance reform, and won’t back the same provision he sponsored just a couple of years ago.

* McCain was against presidential candidates campaigning at Bob Jones University before he was for it.

* McCain was anti-ethanol. Now he’s pro-ethanol.

* McCain was both for and against state promotion of the Confederate flag.

* And now he’s both for and against overturning Roe v. Wade.
 

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McCain has reinvented himself moving far to the right to appeal to his party's powerful base while loosing his integrity in the process.

President Bush Speak:
"There's an old saying in Tennessee — I know it's in Texas, probably in Tennessee — that says, fool me once, shame on — shame on you. Fool me — you can't get fooled again." —Nashville, Tenn., Sept. 17, 2002
 

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Obama is just another empty suit. All style and no substance. He nothing special. He is making promises that will further bankrupt us. I saw him speak at a local rally. Very impressive as an orator but presents no ideas how to accomplish his wish list. He is in experience is going to be his downfall and ours IMO.
 

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Obama is just another empty suit. All style and no substance. He nothing special. He is making promises that will further bankrupt us. I saw him speak at a local rally. Very impressive as an orator but presents no ideas how to accomplish his wish list. He is in experience is going to be his downfall and ours IMO.

But he does present ideas on how to accomplish what he proposes. Take a moment and read through his website, there is a lot of very good information on it.
 

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But he does present ideas on how to accomplish what he proposes. Take a moment and read through his website, there is a lot of very good information on it.
I have listened to him. He says a lot but has no plans on how to pay for it that are anything but a pipe dream. IMO
 

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I have listened to him. He says a lot but has no plans on how to pay for it that are anything but a pipe dream. IMO

He actually goes into great detail on how he plans on paying for his plan on his site. He paints this plans with a very broad brush in his speeches and covers the details in print. He only has a limited time to cover many topics in his speeches just like any other politician.
 

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He actually goes into great detail on how he plans on paying for his plan on his site. He paints this plans with a very broad brush in his speeches and covers the details in print. He only has a limited time to cover many topics in his speeches just like any other politician.
So I gather you will not be voting for McCain :D

Obama is no answer. We need to have more like Ron Paul. The anti govt type who would steer us back to what govt was supposed to do. :thumbup
 

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So I gather you will not be voting for McCain :D

Obama is no answer. We need to have more like Ron Paul. The anti govt type who would steer us back to what govt was supposed to do. :thumbup

I have nothing against Ron Paul and would vote for him in a new york minute... but he isn't running.

We have only 2 real choices. And McCain isn't a good choice IMHO
 

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Obama spoke to the Veterans of Foreign Wars this morning and gave an excellent speech. See it here on ABC NEWS Link.

As a veteran I heard everything good and nothing bad. :thumbup
 

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