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Obama beats Clinton in Iowa, Huckabee top Republican

By Stephen Collinson AFP - 24 minutes agoDES MOINES, Iowa (AFP) - Democrat Barack Obama triumphed in the first 2008 White House nominating contest Thursday, dealing a severe blow to Hillary Clinton's hopes and boosting his own chances of being the first black US president.
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"We are choosing hope over fear. We're choosing unity over division and sending a powerful message that change is coming to America," Obama told a clapping, cheering crowd.
On the Republican side of the Iowa caucuses, ordained Baptist minister Mike Huckabee drubbed his top rival in the race Mitt Romney, casting serious doubt on the former Massachusetts governor's national viability.
Obama's triumph vindicated the 46-year-old senator's soaring message of hope and political change even as it cast a long shadow over Clinton's aspirations to be the first woman president of the United States.
"They said this day would never come. They said our sights were set too high," he said. "Years from now, you'll look back and you'll say that this was the moment, this was the place where America remembered what it means to hope."
It confirmed Obama, son of a Kenyan father and white American mother, as a real threat for the Democratic nomination, and raised doubts whether Clinton's message of experience and mastery of Washington politics will play with voters.
The former first lady, who ended up in third place in the Iowa caucuses just behind former vice-presidential nominee John Edwards, must halt the Obama bandwagon in Tuesday's primary in New Hampshire -- the state which revived her husband former president Bill Clinton's White House campaign in 1992.
She insisted she was "optimistic" and keen to get on with a national campaign, as aides predicted a "marathon" battle for the Democratic nomination.
"We have always planned to run a national campaign all the way through the early contests," Clinton said, flanked by her husband and other family members.
"How will we win in November 2008? -- by nominating a candidate who will be able to go the distance and who will be the best president on day one," she said, casting new doubts on Obama's purported inexperience.
Democratic Senators Christopher Dodd and Joseph Biden meanwhile became the party's two big casualties Thursday night, both dropping out of the race after their poor showings.
Huckabee, who rocketed into contention late in the Republican race after catching fire among crucial evangelical voters, beat out Romney in the curtain-raising Iowa caucuses.
"Tonight, what we have seen is a new day in American politics," Huckabee told cheering supporters.
"It starts here in Iowa, but it doesn't end here. It goes all the way through the other states and ends at 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue one year from now," he said, citing the address of the White House.
The result further splinters the Republican field, with other leading candidates like surging John McCain and former New York mayor Rudolph Giuliani lying in wait in bigger states further on in the nominating process.
Romney said he would fight on, despite losing to Huckabee after piling millions of dollars into Iowa, and New Hampshire which votes in a primary on Tuesday.
"I'm looking for the gold or the silver ... I'm going to continue battling and I will get the nomination. Congratulations to Mike and we'll go on to New Hampshire," Romney said on Fox News.
Huckabee, a former Arkansas governor from the same town -- Hope, Arkansas -- as Bill Clinton, now faces a stiff task in converting his support among the Christian right to a nationwide power base.
Obama, still in only his first term in the US Senate, appeared to have made good on his vow to pull young, idealistic supporters to the Democratic caucus in record numbers.
His top advisor David Axelrod said earlier that there was a huge turnout, with somewhere over 200,000 Democrats showing up.
Clinton goes into the New Hampshire primary needing a convincing win in the northeastern state, where she has a clear but modest lead over Obama in the polls with Edwards trailing in third place.
An average of New Hampshire polls by RealClearPolitics had Clinton with 34 percent to Obama's 27 percent and Edwards' 18. It has McCain at 31.3 percent on average, Romney at 28.8 percent, Giuliani at 10 and Huckabee at 9.5.
The parties' champions are expected to be decided well before Democrats formally name theirs at an August 25-28 convention in Denver, Colorado and Republicans follow suit September 1-4 in Minneapolis, Minnesota.
After New Hampshire, a series of other primary battles lead to February 5, when more than 20 states vote.
President George W. Bush, whose Iraq war-fueled unpopularity could be a drag on his party, has refused to anoint a chosen Republican successor but said he will do his utmost for the nominee.



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I don't care for Huckabee.

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I am a Ron Paul fan:ninja

Obama........Ehhh anything to oppose Clinton I guess, I am rather surprised that Obama is rallying the younger women votes. I thought for certain no registered Dem. female would vote for Obama, but he has something I guess.
 

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I don't know enough about Huckabee to like/dislike him... I guess it's time to do some research.... :)

As far as Obama. I like him and what he can do for this country. I like that he is not bought and paid for by corporations. This gives us a good chance that he will work for our interests and not those of the big corporations. I also like that he is a newcomer to politics. He hasn't been Jaded by the shriveled up old pasty white men who have been in Washington for decades... you know, the ones who are as dirty as sin.
I just keep asking myself if certain elements in this country will allow a black man to become President. If these people were powerful enough to scare off Powel, it makes me wonder. There is still a lot of hate in this country. I just hope we have progressed enough as a nation to move forward in a civilized fashion.

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I also like Ron Paul. If I had to pick any Rep. It would be him.


I'm very happy that Guiliani didn't even show on the polls. That man is the epitome of corruption and everything that's wrong with American politics.
 

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I don't know enough about Huckabee to like/dislike him... I guess it's time to do some research.... :)

As far as Obama. I like him and what he can do for this country. I like that he is not bought and paid for by corporations. This gives us a good chance that he will work for our interests and not those of the big corporations. I also like that he is a newcomer to politics. He hasn't been Jaded by the shriveled up old pasty white men who have been in Washington for decades... you know, the ones who are as dirty as sin.
I just keep asking myself if certain elements in this country will allow a black man to become President. If these people were powerful enough to scare off Powel, it makes me wonder. There is still a lot of hate in this country. I just hope we have progressed enough as a nation to move forward in a civilized fashion.

I think how well he showed in Iowa is a tribute to our progress as a nation. It would appear that we are much more prepared for a black president as opposed to a woman.
 

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I think how well he showed in Iowa is a tribute to our progress as a nation. It would appear that we are much more prepared for a black president as opposed to a woman.

I think us as a nation are more ready for a woman than a black man... There aren't groups dedicated to the death of women :dunno
 

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I think how well he showed in Iowa is a tribute to our progress as a nation. It would appear that we are much more prepared for a black president as opposed to a woman.
I don't know if that's a fair statement.

It would appear (to me) that we are much more prepared for this possible black president than this possible woman president.
 

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I do not agree with one single presidential candidate and am going to have a very difficult time voting in this election. I only agree with about half of the issues Obama or Huckabee agree with so I will end up having to decide which issues are more important and then voting for that person. I think they are both 'good' men.
 

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Right now, as a registered Republican, my vote is for Huckabee. I don't see eye-to-eye with him on everything, but he has more going for him than the other candidates IMO.

I think Obama is the strongest Democrat...Clinton has her husband's "legacy" hanging around her neck like an albatross. I can't take her seriously after staying together with Billy-Boy when all the affairs started coming out.
 

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I do not agree with one single presidential candidate and am going to have a very difficult time voting in this election. I only agree with about half of the issues Obama or Huckabee agree with so I will end up having to decide which issues are more important and then voting for that person. I think they are both 'good' men.


If it makes you feel any better, the only presidential candidate I have ever really liked/agreed with even at 50% was Howard Dean, McCain and Ron Paul.

Basically I have never really liked any of what either party has brought to the forefront. I do like Obama strictly because I think he has a good pure motive, I do question if he has what it really takes to get our country out of what we are in.

I feel that Ron Paul has the right idea on the IRS, smaller government, return of our civil liberties etc. Those are issues I am concerned with. I could care less what someone feels about half of what gets asked of them. I think real core issues get ignored because they just want to hear themselves ramble and ramble about how our issues are someone elses fault.

GW did this, this administration did that, Clinton never did this yada yada yada. It seems as though this group has really been pressured into coming out and confronting real core issues that affect us all, and even though I don't really care for most of them, I do applaud the efforts they are making to be heard.
 

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I can't take her seriously after staying together with Billy-Boy when all the affairs started coming out.
To me that is the only time I could see some character shine though that was maybe genuine about her. She comes across as so cold, but maybe that comes a woman still working very much in man's world when it comes to Capitol Hill.

She hung in there and stood by her man - did what she had to do - and still held her head up high. She isn't the one who cheated - he did.

I wouldn't vote for her, but I disagree with that statement about her. Just my 2 cents.
 

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To me that is the only time I could see some character shine though that was maybe genuine about her. She comes across as so cold, but maybe that comes a woman still working very much in man's world when it comes to Capitol Hill.

She hung in there and stood by her man - did what she had to do - and still held her head up high. She isn't the one who cheated - he did.

I wouldn't vote for her, but I disagree with that statement about her. Just my 2 cents.

She stood by her man? Are you kidding me? She knew that if she divorced his dumb ass the white house would never been seen by her again much less that joke of a Senate seat she holds, albeit illegally.
 

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If it makes you feel any better, the only presidential candidate I have ever really liked/agreed with even at 50% was Howard Dean, McCain and Ron Paul.
Howard Dean and Ron Paul :yuk

I like McCain, but still don't agree with him fully either.

I wish that I could find a politician that I agree'd with on 75% of the issues - that would be nice. Unfortunately, like you, I only agree with any one person on 50% of the issues. Like I stated ... it is going to come down to me figuring out which issues are most important to me and voting for that vs. the actual 'man'. Though I will not vote for anyone that I do not think is trustworthy: Hillary or Guiliani would be examples.
 

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She stood by her man? Are you kidding me? She knew that if she divorced his dumb ass the white house would never been seen by her again much less that joke of a Senate seat she holds, albeit illegally.
She may be that evil I don't know. I think that is a rather cynical view though.
 

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Howard Dean and Ron Paul :yuk

I like McCain, but still don't agree with him fully either.

I wish that I could find a politician that I agree'd with on 75% of the issues - that would be nice. Unfortunately, like you, I only agree with any one person on 50% of the issues. Like I stated ... it is going to come down to me figuring out which issues are most important to me and voting for that vs. the actual 'man'. Though I will not vote for anyone that I do not think is trustworthy: Hillary or Guiliani would be examples.

Hey I cannot help it, I like who I like. I think a whole lot of what gets argued about by candidates has nothing to do with what is going to make America better.

Look back at all of what we considered "great leaders", and I think you will find what made them great was what they did. A campaign is simply the whores on display at the brothel when the patrons are let in.

You know nothing about them until they get undressed, if you see what I am saying. Raising 20 million bucks for your campaign does not mean you will be a great leader.
 

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Hey I cannot help it, I like who I like. I think a whole lot of what gets argued about by candidates has nothing to do with what is going to make America better.

Look back at all of what we considered "great leaders", and I think you will find what made them great was what they did. A campaign is simply the whores on display at the brothel when the patrons are let in.

You know nothing about them until they get undressed, if you see what I am saying. Raising 20 million bucks for your campaign does not mean you will be a great leader.
I research each candidate on the issues and where they stand and if their previous 'work' backs up what they say. I could care less about the 'show'.
 

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I research each candidate on the issues and where they stand and if their previous 'work' backs up what they say. I could care less about the 'show'.


That is a great policy, that is why I trust McCain, I am familiar with his Senatorial standings, so are hard right folks, which is why he is not liked too much, he's not knee jerk right, he's politically a Republican.

As far as I am concerned, the Capital Hill reputation of most of the candidates is smeared because they all have an image of how a war they supported should have been managed, the fact is that they have all been afraid of GW.

Obama has enthusiasm, I like his spirit, I really do. I love his attitude about special interest groups.

Nuckabee strikes me as the typical good ole boy backslapper.

Romney.....He puts me to sleep worse than Gore.....And that guy was like a valium overdose to practically everyone.

Hillary........I just cannot get over the idea that her presidency would be nothing but retribution for all the body blows her husband got, she would be the liberal version of Ken Starr. She ha always struck me as much more anti-republican than a true democrat. Just my opinion.

And Edwards, I have to admit, I kinda like the dimpled nice boy smile. But, he's weak on so many issues I have no real idea where he actually stands.

Rudy.....Don't even get me started, possibly the most politically ambiguos backslider I have ever seen and I do not trust him anymore than I do GW/Cheney, and those guy's are criminals.

Okay that sums up my approximation:D
 
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