Obama: Healthcare debate is "over"

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Thank you Mr. President for simply deciding a national debate that has polarized the country (thank in no small part to you) is simply "over". Does this mean that you're going to mandate that Congress do what you tell them to do? Or maybe you'll just write an executive order and make it happen that way. This debate will be over when the people of this country, the people who helped elect you, say that it is over... not because you're tired of not getting your way.

Obama, in Campaign Mode, Vows Action on Health - WSJ.com
 
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The gall for them to threaten using conciliation as a means to get there way should concern us. The constitution was crafted in such a way to make sure such bullshit power grabs does not happen.

He is going to the bully pulpit tomorrow nite again. I don't think these morons on the left get it. The people protesting at meetings the last month were not highly organized people. Some were sure but not most. This is going to get interesting.
 

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I'm not quite sure why anyone thought he really cared what the country thought anyhow. It doesn't shock me at all, that there is no interest in fixing the problem, rather than just increase the size of government and tack on more debt, oh and give insurance companies a good opportunity to just drop us on our ass.Nationalization HERE WE COME! fuck
 

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Obama urges action on healthcare
US President Barack Obama has made one of the most critical speeches of his presidency, as he faced Congress over his plans for healthcare reform.
Mr Obama said that failure to introduce reform had led the country to breaking point and it was now time to act.
He said he planned to improve health insurance for those who have it and to create an insurance exchange to extend cover to those who do not.
Members of Congress are preparing to fight over details of the reforms.


Mr Obama told Congress that the US was the only rich country that allowed millions of its people to endure the hardship of going without healthcare.
"Everyone understands the extraordinary hardships that are placed on the uninsured, who live every day just one accident or illness away from bankruptcy," he said.
"These are not primarily people on welfare. These are middle-class Americans."


It seemed to go down pretty well in the chamber, but it's how Americans receive it over the next few hours and days that really counts
Mark Mardell BBC North America editor

But Mr Obama said the current system did not serve those Americans who do have health insurance well either.
"Those who do have insurance have never had less security and stability than they do today.
"More and more Americans worry that if you move, lose your job, or change your job, you'll lose your health insurance too."
He said the US spent one-and-half times more on health insurance than any other country but Americans were no healthier than other people.
Insurance exchange
Mr Obama set out details of his plan to reform the system.
He said that nothing in his proposal would require Americans who already have health insurance to change their coverage or doctor.
But he said he would make the insurance work better for individuals by prohibiting insurers from dropping coverage for sick patients or by capping it.


HEALTHCARE IN THE US
<li class="bull"> 46 million uninsured, 25 million under-insured <li class="bull"> Healthcare costs represent 16% of GDP, almost twice OECD average <li class="bull"> Reform plans would require all Americans to get insurance <li class="bull"> Some propose public insurance option to compete with private insurers

He would also require insurers to cover the cost of routine check-ups and preventative care.
For the millions of uninsured Americans, he said he would create an insurance exchange - a market place where individuals and small business will be able to shop for health insurance at competitive prices.
Public insurance option
Mr Obama said a public insurance option could help keep the private health insurance companies honest and competitive.
But he said it would not be subsidised by the government, so would not form unfair competition for them.
He added that the public option was only a means to an end, and he remained open to other ideas if they had the same effect.
Healthcare reform has been the central issue of his change agenda but has divided both the US public and the country's political establishment.
President Obama said that Congress agreed on about 80% of the reforms that are needed.
But he said months of partisan bickering had only hardened the disdain many Americans have towards their own government.
He is facing almost unanimous opposition from Republicans, who are uneasy about the idea of government-run healthcare and who have accused Mr Obama of attempting to introduce a "socialist" policy.
There are, in theory, enough Democrats in Congress to approve the changes.
But in practice, the party is deeply divided between those that want a publicly-run insurance scheme and those alarmed by the borrowing necessary to fund it.
US MEDIA REACTION TO OBAMA'S SPEECH
The complaints about Republicans at the end also didn't sound, to me, like they'll play well. Right now, more voters are on their side than yours. Don't tell them they're gullible dupes, and/or mean-spirited obstructionists. The Atlantic Monthly's Megan McArdle

The majority of the speech was proddingly practical, in a dutiful debater kind of way... But then, at the end, came the rousing defense of liberalism I was waiting for. For a speech in which he was trying to forge a consensus this was a brave and risky move. Hanna Rosin, of DoubleX,

[It] was nearly an hour of snake-oil salesmanship, promises that cannot possibly be kept, and false invocations of bipartisan civility even as he was trying to deliver partisan roundhouses of his own. John Podhoretz, of Commentary magazine,

If Obama hasn't created the perfect plan, he's created something arguably more impressive: a plan that actually might pass. That plan might not do enough to change the system, and it may not spend enough to protect everybody, but there is plenty in the proposal that will better the lives, health coverage, and financial security for millions of real people. The Washington Post's Ezra Klein











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= "bull" is my favorite part of that review. He also said that illegal aliens wouldn't get healthcare. True to his MO: say anything to get it passed.

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Dont they all? Lloyd George was the guy over here responsible for introducing the welfare state and he's a legend, I honestly believe Obama will end up the same.:clap
 

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No me. I've lived in England. It's a lovely country with a wonderfully complex culture. Same for Japan. Same for all the countries I've visited. As wonderful as my country and culture are, it saddened me when I saw evidence of people abandoning their traditions in favor of American ones. Mine is a lovely country with a wonderfully complex culture. It was built on individual freedom, self-determination, self-responsibility. It tears my heart out to see my people abandoning our traditions.

When we're all the same, the world will be a really boring place.
 

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I loved how he used Dead Ted to guilt everyone into supporting the public option. Nancy's little lip quivering, Joe wiping a non-existant tear from his eye, shots of Ted's widow being comforted by the lady next to her.
But forget all that: He stood there and repeated twice that this national health care program would not cost taxpayers one dime. That he would get the money from eliminating fraud and abuse in the present healthcare system.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, who listened to that speech could honestly believe that. It is impossible.
 

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I loved how he used Dead Ted to guilt everyone into supporting the public option. Nancy's little lip quivering, Joe wiping a non-existant tear from his eye, shots of Ted's widow being comforted by the lady next to her.
But forget all that: He stood there and repeated twice that this national health care program would not cost taxpayers one dime. That he would get the money from eliminating fraud and abuse in the present healthcare system.
No one, and I mean NO ONE, who listened to that speech could honestly believe that. It is impossible.

Got to agree with that, no one can set up a national health system without a substantial tax hike. But if this is going to help the US citizens who cant afford health care without sending them into serious debt, it's well worth it. Obama is a brave man! Of course this is going to cost his support dear but its for the good of the nation and I applaud his bravery in carrying this through, regardless.
 

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Got to agree with that, no one can set up a national health system without a substantial tax hike. But if this is going to help the US citizens who cant afford health care without sending them into serious debt, it's well worth it. Obama is a brave man! Of course this is going to cost his support dear but its for the good of the nation and I applaud his bravery in carrying this through, regardless.

Bullshit its worth it. Its nothing more than a power gov't power grab, plain and simple. Every action they take has always been to get more people dependent on them.

We need reform but we need the opposite kind of reform, we need gov't out of health care not more into it...
 

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We need reform but we need the opposite kind of reform, we need gov't out of health care not more into it...

After new rules are established, if you really want reform, then you'll need government regulations and regulators governing the system. I am aware of no case were corporate self regulation works in the long run.
 

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Got to agree with that, no one can set up a national health system without a substantial tax hike. But if this is going to help the US citizens who cant afford health care without sending them into serious debt, it's well worth it. Obama is a brave man! Of course this is going to cost his support dear but its for the good of the nation and I applaud his bravery in carrying this through, regardless.

What most people ignore, is LBJ was responsible for initiating a system to fill the gaps in healthcare it is called Medicare/Medicaid.
Most would argue that is has severe issues, I agree. But wouldn't the solution be to fix what's wrong with that system before we add more systems?
It is insane to add what is considered to be a cost 100 times heavier than the Medicare system, simply to overshadow the fact that the government has proven they cannot handle healthcare to begin with
 

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Wouldn't a national health service replace Medicare? It would seem that your current health service is an embaressment compared to the rest of the Western World, let alone to a country that professes to be so great. Surely it needs a major overhaul to fix this. I find it quite shocking that, despite all its faults, our health service in Great Britain is far superior to the USAs. Surely if you can afford to have the best weapons, you can afford to have the best health care too?
 

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Wouldn't a national health service replace Medicare? It would seem that your current health service is an embaressment compared to the rest of the Western World, let alone to a country that professes to be so great. Surely it needs a major overhaul to fix this. I find it quite shocking that, despite all its faults, our health service in Great Britain is far superior to the USAs. Surely if you can afford to have the best weapons, you can afford to have the best health care too?

What exactly are you basing your assertion of our health care system being an "embarrassment" on? Furthermore, what are you basing Great Britain's system being superior to the US on?
 

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What exactly are you basing your assertion of our health care system being an "embarrassment" on? Furthermore, what are you basing Great Britain's system being superior to the US on?

WHO | World Health Organization Assesses the World's Health Systems

But dont tell me, you're one of those paranoid kneejerkers who still haven't realised McCarthy was a twat and who think that the WHO is socialist and therefore evilly trying to destroy the world?:rolleyes:
 
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