Now This Really Is Stupid!

[Breath]

Yes. It shows that you are willing to lie to them about stupid stuff.

So what stories are you going to read to your children? Which fantasies won't have enough untruth in it.
The way you're talking, the only book that will be acceptable to you is this one:

 

[All Else Failed]

Ron, it's not dodging a point when I take something you say and turn into into a "real" example. That's taking a concept and giving it a concrete example. Now I'll admit, I turned it into something far-fetched and funny. But juggler "got the point" even though you can't think beyond your own ideals.

Don't patronize me.

I really doubt you would tell your children that things such as elves and faeries are real though. You're ok with Santa because its "part of the holiday" and it gives them false hope. You're simply picking and choosing what delusions to tell your child.

 

[All Else Failed]

So what stories are you going to read to your children? Which fantasies won't have enough untruth in it.
The way you're talking, the only book that will be acceptable to you is this one:

Maybe you should listen, a little, yes? I said I was fine with reading fantasy to my child, I will however, make it a point that everything I read is just that: FANTASY. It makes no sense to tell them its real.

 

[Kat]

ok to clear something up here in some ways..is it a lie? when the parents say santa is real. The parents are santa technically...we just dont look the part the way he's portrayed (or of course have flying reindeer if you must get so technical). We play santa for the kids...so in a sense we arent really lying to them.

You can bash this up and down and every which way. Its just my belief. There is no harm in this...its not true the way they think...but it is true in some ways too.

i doubt it is counterproductive to tell a child there is a santa.

and I doubt many children really think of it as their parents lying when the time comes that they find out santa (the way they think of him) isnt real.

 

[Kat]

Don't patronize me.

I really doubt you would tell your children that things such as elves and faeries are real though. You're ok with Santa because its "part of the holiday" and it gives them false hope. You're simply picking and choosing what delusions to tell your child.

if my child decides that she believes in fairies and elves...then so be it...I'll let her. She will learn eventually


(though I know that wasnt directed at me really but still)

 

[All Else Failed]

ok to clear something up here in some ways..is it a lie? when the parents say santa is real. The parents are santa technically...we just dont look the part the way he's portrayed (or of course have flying reindeer if you must get so technical). We play santa for the kids...so in a sense we arent really lying to them.

You can bash this up and down and every which way. Its just my belief. There is no harm in this...its not true the way they think...but it is true in some ways too.

i doubt it is counterproductive to tell a child there is a santa.

and I doubt many children really think of it as their parents lying when the time comes that they find out santa (the way they think of him) isnt real.

Thats quite the leap in logic. You're teaching your kids that an obese man, who know if they have been bad or good, has a list of "bad boys and girls" who he will discriminate against, knows where you live, knows if you are sleeping or not, who uses slave labor to build toys, breaks into your house at night to give them things they'll probably return later, and expects food to be waiting for him, and rides in a magical chariot guided by flying mammals. Yes, lets tell them this is indeed true.

 

[All Else Failed]

if my child decides that she believes in fairies and elves...then so be it...I'll let her. She will learn eventually


(though I know that wasnt directed at me really but still)

That just sets the child up to believe in anything IMO. That is counterproductive in my mind.

 

[Kat]

Thats quite the leap in logic. You're teaching your kids that an obese man, who know if they have been bad or good, has a list of "bad boys and girls" who he will discriminate against, knows where you live, knows if you are sleeping or not, who uses slave labor to build toys, breaks into your house at night to give them things they'll probably return later, and expects food to be waiting for him, and rides in a magical chariot guided by flying mammals. Yes, lets tell them this is indeed true.

:24::24: ok ok ...i never do well when im debating with you with anything. I do see what you are saying. I just dont agree

 

[Kat]

That just sets the child up to believe in anything IMO. That is counterproductive in my mind.

see above post for response

 

[Peter Parka]

and I doubt many children really think of it as their parents lying when the time comes that they find out santa (the way they think of him) isnt real.

Actually I've seen cases of children getting upset when they found out their parent lied to them about this. It might just seem silly to us but that's because we're adults. If a child realises you're been lying to them about something like this, what's to stop them thinking you were lying when you told them it's dangerous to run in the road without looking, for instance?

 

[juggler]

OK then, can someone please explain to me how telling kids that Santa is NOT real would be counterproductive to their development? Because it beats the hell out of me how telling kids the truth about this could possibly stunt their development!

The truth is that neither of these would stunt their developement. It's more to do with the enjoyment and delight that children get from it. If it was harmfull, do you think that parents would continue the myth? It's all about fun!

 

[Kat]

Actually I've seen cases of children getting upset when they found out their parent lied to them about this. It might just seem silly to us but that's because we're adults. If a child realises you're been lying to them about something like this, what's to stop them thinking you were lying when you told them it's dangerous to run in the road without looking, for instance?

I've never run into that in my life...but i do see your point completely. I guess I'll just have to hope kylie never feels that way. Though if it comes to her asking me flat out if hes real or not...I would tell her the truth.

 

[Breath]

Don't patronize me.

I really doubt you would tell your children that things such as elves and faeries are real though. You're ok with Santa because its "part of the holiday" and it gives them false hope. You're simply picking and choosing what delusions to tell your child.

Ron, the last thing I am doing is patronizing you. You don't know by now that it's common knowledge to me (and anyone else accustomed to you) that you're a brick wall about what you believe? I have to give you credit there. You're very sound in what you want and what you believe. That's a compliment in case you don't recognize it. So for me to state that you can't think beyond your ideals is my version of verbal applause that reiterates your own conviction in what you believe.

Every parent will "pick and choose" the stories to tell their child. I believe that's part of the perk in being a parent, to perhaps mold and shape their thought processes. Do I want them to wear rose-colored glasses? Of course not. But I want them to play. I'll be playing along with them.

 

[Peter Parka]

This is why I just think it's best not to tell them he's real to start with. Trust in a parent or gaurdian is a huge thing for a kid when they are learning and developing. Oh, and by the way, based on personal experience, my parents never got me to believe that Santa was real and I didn't miss out in the slightest for it, growing up.

 

[Kat]

This is why I just think it's best not to tell them he's real to start with. Trust is a parent or gaurdian is a huge thing for a kid when they are learning and developing. Oh, and by the way, based on personal experience, my parents never got me to believe that Santa was real and I didn't miss out in the slightest for it, growing up.

I guess I just carried on the tradition...because I believed in him when i was young...maybe that has something to do with the stands people are taking on this too

 

[Keight]

I dont think its about lying to your children but not telling them everything to maintain their innocence that little bit longer, Hell its a bitch when a child finds out something that they never knew about and you see that little part of their innocence fade away with everything new thing they learn.
Being a parent myself is there anything wrong with wanting my children to beleive in things and think the world is a great place even though its not.
Being a child is about imagination and what you want to beleive in until you are old enough to understand that its not always the case.
Look back all of us to when we were kids, We beleived in Santa, the easter bunny, the tooth fairy, we beleived that the world was a great place and that certain areas of the world was beautiful and untouched by man.
The reason we no longer see that is we are old enough to know better, but in the same sense we should be old enough to realise that its a good thing to let our children expeireince the same beautiful imagination as we did.

 

[GraceAbounds]

The world still is a great place in many aspects. I do not want my kids to ever stop believing that truth.

As far as Santa - we've always spoke of Santa as the 'Spirit of Santa' which is giving.

 

[skyblue]

so santa doesn't exist?.....that might explain why i didn't get keira knightly and the harem full of airhostess's this year......excuse me while i cry

 

[Pudding Time]

Yes. It shows that you are willing to lie to them about stupid stuff.

LMAO! :24:

Thanks for the laughs mate.. :clap