Noah would says No to God, or be a Traitor to Jesus, says do onto others rule?

[Peter Parka]

I'm not a Christian. I don't want to update the Bible. But I think mainstream Christians should update it rather than continue to give lip service to a book they don't read and wouldn't agree with if they did. A religious book should reflect the beliefs of the adherents of that religion. With God nothing's impossible.

So true! It boggles the mind that there is so much debate in the church over whether homosexuality is right or wrong when the Bible quite clearly states that god hates gays.

 

[Tuffdisc]

So true! It boggles the mind that there is so much debate in the church over whether homosexuality is right or wrong when the Bible quite clearly states that god hates gays.

Does he only 'hate' gays or is it telling someone the difference between right or wrong?

 

[Peter Parka]

Does he only 'hate' gays or is it telling someone the difference between right or wrong?

"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" - Lev 20:13

I think he pretty clearly hates them here! But either way, he certainly thinks it's wrong which is my point. Why is there even a debate in the church about it when the book Christians profess to follow is clearly against it?

 

[Greatest I am]

"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" - Lev 20:13

I think he pretty clearly hates them here! But either way, he certainly thinks it's wrong which is my point. Why is there even a debate in the church about it when the book Christians profess to follow is clearly against it?

Perhaps because that book also says that animals can talk and a water walking immortal God can die.

Plus just a few more unbelievable and impossible claims.

Regards
DL

 

[Minor Axis]

Questioning whether god is right or wrong is impossible for a human being to do.

Even for those who believe in the All Mighty, if we are individuals with brains, it is our duty to question.

Update the bible by ripping out bits you don't like and adding bits you do?? I think that would be quite impossible to happen

But it has happened... Many times before. Entire books of the bible have been stripped away.

Exactly. Devote people tend to get this notion in their heads that the Bible is the infallible word of God. In reality it's ancient scripts either found in some cave or in the case of Islam a book supposedly written by one dude, not unlike Joseph Smith in the Apple Orchard who had a divine encounter. One man gets to sit down with God and pass on his infallible word to the rest of the world. That's if you want to believe it. I call it gullible.

Humans during the time of the flood were being mixed with a race of giants called the Nephilim. God saw that if he did not secure Jesus's family line, Jesus's lineage would be corrupted by them. So, he flooded the world to eradicate the tainted human beings.

Neither do I but as an omnipotent dude, he can pick and choose whatever DNA or lineage he wants without having to murder the whole world. He has an ass full of miracles don't cha know.
Regards
DL

Exactly. I find it humorous that humans assign human methods to the feats of a omnipotent being.

 

[All Else Failed]

Even for those who believe in the All Mighty, if we are individuals with brains, it is our duty to question.

God is unquestionable. I'm not sure why, if you have faith, you would even question anything since he is the ultimate good in the universe

 

[Greatest I am]

God is unquestionable. I'm not sure why, if you have faith, you would even question anything since he is the ultimate good in the universe

The ultimate good using genocide on mankind.
Yep, a real God murdering God.
Do not question genocide. Just click your heels and say Heil and throw more coal into the furnace.

Regards
DL

 

[Tuffdisc]

"If there is a man who lies with a male as those who lie with a woman, both of them have committed a detestable act; they shall surely be put to death. Their bloodguiltness is upon them" - Lev 20:13

I think he pretty clearly hates them here! But either way, he certainly thinks it's wrong which is my point. Why is there even a debate in the church about it when the book Christians profess to follow is clearly against it?

It is detestable in the eyes of the creator if God said "go forth and multiply"

 

[All Else Failed]

The ultimate good using genocide on mankind.
Yep, a real God murdering God.
Do not question genocide. Just click your heels and say Heil and throw more coal into the furnace.

Regards
DL

genocide is not bad if god says it isn't. Sounds simplistic but thats how it works.

 

[BornReady]

It is detestable in the eyes of the creator if God said "go forth and multiply"

Genesis was most likely written while the Jews were in Babylonian captivity. They were worried about being wiped out as a people. The directive to "go forth and multiply" made sense to them. Today it does not make sense. We need to control our population growth. The last thing we need right now is a lot of people breeding like rabbits.

genocide is not bad if god says it isn't. Sounds simplistic but thats how it works.

Genocide is wrong. People with your attitude have caused a tremendous amount of suffering in this world.

 

[All Else Failed]

Genocide is wrong. People with your attitude have caused a tremendous amount of suffering in this world.

It is not wrong when the source of all good does it to preserve the overall divine plan. God can't do wrong.


People can't get this concept through their heads. I'm not talking about what humans think of genocide.

 

[BornReady]

It is not wrong when the source of all good does it to preserve the overall divine plan. God can't do wrong.


People can't get this concept through their heads. I'm not talking about what humans think of genocide.

Hitler justified trying to kill all the Jews because "God" told him to. People need to think for them self. If God told you to murder someone you should refuse and seek immediate counseling. That is what the church should be telling people not that "God can't do wrong."

If you're a theist then a better way to look at it is God gave you a "moral instinct". When an action violates that instinct then you should assume it's wrong and not do it. If someone says God wants you to do it then don't believe him.

As far as the genocide in the OP. It's a myth. According to archaeologists, the Jews did not commit mass genocide, thankfully. But if Moses really had told everyone that God wanted them to kill everybody then they should have had Moses committed.

 

[cam elle toe]

Update the bible by ripping out bits you don't like and adding bits you do?? I think that would be quite impossible to happen

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Its already happened, more than once.....you think todays version is the original?

 

[All Else Failed]

Hitler justified trying to kill all the Jews because "God" told him to. People need to think for them self. If God told you to murder someone you should refuse and seek immediate counseling. That is what the church should be telling people not that "God can't do wrong."

If you're a theist then a better way to look at it is God gave you a "moral instinct". When an action violates that instinct then you should assume it's wrong and not do it. If someone says God wants you to do it then don't believe him.

As far as the genocide in the OP. It's a myth. According to archaeologists, the Jews did not commit mass genocide, thankfully. But if Moses really had told everyone that God wanted them to kill everybody then they should have had Moses committed.

We're not talking about people. We're talking about the so called Divine creator of everything.


If god exists, and he told you to kill someone, it would be just in doing so because god is the ultimate good and whatever he requires is good and pure love. It is a hard pill to swallow because it sounds wrong to us. However, if a purely good being asks you to do something, it is for good. We cannot apply our sense of "good" or "bad" to such an unimaginable divine force.

 

[BornReady]

If god exists, and he told you to kill someone, it would be just in doing so because god is the ultimate good and whatever he requires is good and pure love. It is a hard pill to swallow because it sounds wrong to us. However, if a purely good being asks you to do something, it is for good. We cannot apply our sense of "good" or "bad" to such an unimaginable divine force.

It sounds wrong to us because it is wrong. You're a smart guy. You should trust your instinct more and your pastor less.

Your philosophy is dangerous. It is just the kind of indoctrination that renders young Muslims susceptible to radical imams. Do you know why terrorists strap bombs onto themselves and blow up innocent people? Because they think God told them to.

Like I said before, if God tells you to murder someone then you should refuse and seek immediate counseling. That is what the church needs to tell people. They should not be instructing anyone to listen to voices in their head telling them to kill people whether they think it's God or not.

Its already happened, more than once.....you think todays version is the original?

You're right but then you usually are. In fact, isn't the new testament an update of the old testament? But now it's old again.

 

[Greatest I am]

It is detestable in the eyes of the creator if God said "go forth and multiply"

Why then does he create infertile men and women?
Are they also abominations?

Regards
DL

 

[Greatest I am]

It is not wrong when the source of all good does it to preserve the overall divine plan. God can't do wrong.


People can't get this concept through their heads. I'm not talking about what humans think of genocide.

If all is planed in advance then what of that wonderful free will that God is said to give us?

You know the freedom that says do it my way or burn forever in hell.

You can only have one or the other. A plan to follow or your free will.

Regards
DL

 

[All Else Failed]

It sounds wrong to us because it is wrong. You're a smart guy. You should trust your instinct more and your pastor less.

Your philosophy is dangerous. It is just the kind of indoctrination that renders young Muslims susceptible to radical imams. Do you know why terrorists strap bombs onto themselves and blow up innocent people? Because they think God told them to.

Like I said before, if God tells you to murder someone then you should refuse and seek immediate counseling. That is what the church needs to tell people. They should not be instructing anyone to listen to voices in their head telling them to kill people whether they think it's God or not.



You're right but then you usually are. In fact, isn't the new testament an update of the old testament? But now it's old again.

My philosophy? It is not my philosophy. I am an atheist and I think genocide committed by humans is wrong.

However, we're talking about GOD. If God, the ultimate good in the universe, exists, he cannot do evil. Everything is part of his plan for the greater good and salvation of mankind.


If god truly told someone to kill another, then they would be doing God's work, which is ultimately good. However, I don't think you could possibly prove if god told you to do it.


You have to think outside of the no0rmal human emotionalism for this one.

 

[TommyTooter]

We're not talking about people. We're talking about the so called Divine creator of everything.


If god exists, and he told you to kill someone, it would be just in doing so because god is the ultimate good and whatever he requires is good and pure love. It is a hard pill to swallow because it sounds wrong to us. However, if a purely good being asks you to do something, it is for good. We cannot apply our sense of "good" or "bad" to such an unimaginable divine force.

if god existed and was omnipotent, why would it need anybody to kill for it?

 

[All Else Failed]

Good question. No one knows.