Mormonism and Jehovas Witnesses

[The Doc]

How do YOU feel about THEM?

 

[davii]

Different label, same basic nonsense...

 

[Johnfromokc]

Just more religious bullshit.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MeSSwKffj9o

 

[Tim]

How do YOU feel about THEM?

Absolutely no difference than what you believe

 

[porterjack]

I have not met THEM

 

[The Doc]

Oh this is just going to end up as "Bash everyone who isnt aethiest like me" thread. As is every other thread in this section. My bad. Nevermind.

 

[davii]

Oh this is just going to end up as "Bash everyone who isnt aethiest like me" thread. As is every other thread in this section. My bad. Nevermind.

To be fair, it was a very simple question that got simple answers...

 

[Joe the meek]

Oh this is just going to end up as "Bash everyone who isnt aethiest like me" thread. As is every other thread in this section. My bad. Nevermind.

Not exactly sure what kind of responses you were expecting?

Personally, I'm indifferent towards those two types of beliefs.

Got to admit I do respect some of the work the mormons put in to their mission work.

Then again, when anyone comes to my door trying to spread some kind of word, I try to be my best and remember that they are taking time out of their day trying to do what they think is both right and good. I think most that come down my driveway on weekends are Baptists though LOL

 

[Stone]

How do YOU feel about THEM?

Oh this is just going to end up as "Bash everyone who isnt aethiest like me" thread. As is every other thread in this section. My bad. Nevermind.

It's too vague a question, imo.
About the religions?.....
The LDS had a very dubious beginning with an angel named Moroni presenting Joseph Smith with 'golden plates' that LDS scripture is based upon. Smith was a con artist before the claimed meeting with the angel Moroni. Connect the dots.
Early LDS was filled with violence. Some against them by outsiders and some against their own members by themselves.
They claim to be Christian, but that seems to be easily challenged:
http://carm.org/is-mormonism-christian

Here's an article written by a former LDS missionary and apologist.
http://www.angelfire.com/planet/lds/22.html

I don't know much about JW other than it's very fundamentalist with interpretations of the Bible that seem strange to me, believe Heaven will only allow a total of 144,000 souls and interpret Genesis literally in a way that denies the sciences.

 

[Tim]

Oh this is just going to end up as "Bash everyone who isnt aethiest like me" thread. As is every other thread in this section. My bad. Nevermind.

It's ok, you can take your toys and go home. We can play without you

 

[Minor Axis]

IThe LDS had a very dubious beginning with an angel named Moroni presenting Joseph Smith with 'golden plates' that LDS scripture is based upon.

Christianity also had a dubious beginning with all the non-nonsensical scripture that is taken as...you heard it here first... gospel.
You know I heard God needed his Son on Earth so he could get him killed off, because some mysterious God mechanism would wipe our sins out for an instance. So God, disregarding the sanctity of marriage between a man and his women, impregnated Joseph's Wife, Mary, not unlike the ancient Greek Gods who loved dalliances with attractive human females too. Should I continue?

My point is what makes one story more fantastical than another?

 

[Stone]

Christianity also had a dubious beginning with all the non-nonsensical scripture that is taken as...you heard it here first... gospel.
You know I heard God needed his Son on Earth so he could get him killed off, because some mysterious God mechanism would wipe our sins out for an instance. So God, disregarding the sanctity of marriage between a man and his women, impregnated Joseph's Wife, Mary, not unlike the ancient Greek Gods who loved dalliances with attractive human females too. Should I continue?

My point is what makes one story more fantastical than another?

First step in your comparison was the editing of my statement to initiate a context that didn't exist.
It's interesting that you picked Christianity as your theological target rather than the concept of 'Faith'. Christian bashing seems a high profile target at this forum.

This is not a comparison of theologies nor their evolution..........these are the initiators of theologies.
At a minimum, Jesus existed in history as a teacher. He expanded that as rationale for exceptence.
Smith and Moroni existed as an obvious con. He expanded his control for the purpose of personal power.
Jesus did nothing to enrich himself, he put himself in danger to teach us.
Smith enacted violence for personal wealth and power. That is relatively recently recorded history and easily searched out through news paper accounts.

Christianity also had a dubious beginning with all the non-nonsensical scripture that is taken as...you heard it here first... gospel.

What offends you more, the Old Testament that prophecises the coming of a savior, or the New Testament that chronicles the life of Jesus?
Or is it the claim of the Holy Bible being the inerrant Word of God?
Genesis bother you a lot?
Nothing about Christian Theology ( lessons by Christ ) in Genesis that I remember.
Doesn't all Christian Theology begin in the New Testament?
I see the Old Testament as mostly the realization and acceptance of a singular god....God. That's not Christian theology, that comes later as chronicled in the New Testament.....the life and teachings of Christ. But it follows from the logic of a singular God.


You have a belief in spirituality. I've been wondering what platform exists that supports the basis ( creation ) for/of these 'spirits'. That seems pretty fantastical, too.

If you think about it, the term 'fantastical' applies to any faith we can't explain.
Like your spirituality with out a basis for existence.

But you ask for a relative distinction between Christ and Smith/Moroni.

OK......Christ ( the initiator of the Christian movement )was interested in the welfare of our souls.
Smith ( the initiator of the LDS movement ) was a convicted con man interested in the monetary contents of our pockets.

That looks like a considerable difference to me, how about you?


That help?

 

[Joe the meek]

Christian bashing seems a high profile target at this forum.

Compared to the amount of actively posting members here, it's only a few that regularly "bash" religion IMO.

I've always held to the notion that actions speak louder than words. I only hope that those who use words to bash use actions to try help

 

[Stone]

Compared to the amount of actively posting members here, it's only a few that regularly "bash" religion IMO.

I've always held to the notion that actions speak louder than words. I only hope that those who use words to bash use actions to try help

Compared to the amount of actively posting members here, it's only a few that regularly "bash" religion IMO.

An unusual amount does seem to come from one member, GIA.
Incredibly rabid. My first experience with a gnostic warrior/priest.
If it weren't for his consistency in producing fallacious logic, my post count would probably be at least 50% less
But he's only bashing Christianity in an attempt to promote his own 'faith'/religion.

I do understand why some people reject religion and faith because they see it as an unwanted intrusion. It's personal. But the scale I'm seeing in John's posts is a demand for thought control in others that he so dramatically condemns in religion.

Can't please everyone

 

[Panacea]

Vague is your bad, kid.
What do we think of them? As in the people who practice these religions? I doubt anyone has met them all, so...that's not really an answerable question.

If you're asking what people think of the religion itself, well...it's going to draw criticism as I assume no one here follows either religion. Unfortunately it wasn't the criticism you'd hoped.

Ya fuck those crazy people! They do weird shit!

I think an argument can be made, without treading into the loathed bashing territory, with pure intellectual honesty, that many religions share some fundamental similarities. In a macro comparison, there's not much difference. If one wants a micro comparison, then there's a lot more to be said.

 

[Joe the meek]

But the scale I'm seeing in John's posts is a demand for thought control in others that he so dramatically condemns in religion.

Once you accept the fact that John is always right and will never admit to making a mistake in any of his assumptions, things will become clearer to you:24:

 

[Zorak]

But you ask for a relative distinction between Christ and Smith/Moroni.

OK......Christ ( the initiator of the Christian movement )was interested in the welfare of our souls.
Smith ( the initiator of the LDS movement ) was a convicted con man interested in the monetary contents of our pockets.

That looks like a considerable difference to me, how about you?


That help?

Christ was a convict too, remember?

 

[Stone]

Christ was a convict too, remember?

Interesting sophistry.
For his claims and beliefs, not for being the head of a theft ring.
Big difference.
The churches that are accused of stealing today did not initiate that activity on the instructions and lessons of/by Christ.
To some degree, the LDS has rebuked elements of Smith, which would be to their credit.

 

[Stone]

Once you accept the fact that John is always right and will never admit to making a mistake in any of his assumptions, things will become clearer to you:24:

Once you accept the fact that John is always right....

Good one ..........:thumbup

 

[Tim]

First step in your comparison was the editing of my statement to initiate a context that didn't exist.
It's interesting that you picked Christianity as your theological target rather than the concept of 'Faith'. Christian bashing seems a high profile target at this forum.

When you say there is a lot of Christian bashing on the forum, you really need to remove GIA from that equation. He isn't really an active member, we all know him as a troll that goes to many sites to preach his hatred of Christianity.
And any other "bashing" goes directly to the topic at hand. Meaning, the discussion is already about Christianity when it goes bad. I don't know if you remember a member Mazur, but he was Islamic and when he would bring up religious topics or things about his faith, the site would really give it back to him... Not everyone, but you could have just as easily said the site was "bashing" the religion of Islam.

This is not a comparison of theologies nor their evolution..........these are the initiators of theologies.
At a minimum, Jesus existed in history as a teacher. He expanded that as rationale for exceptence.
Smith and Moroni existed as an obvious con. He expanded his control for the purpose of personal power.
Jesus did nothing to enrich himself, he put himself in danger to teach us.
Smith enacted violence for personal wealth and power. That is relatively recently recorded history and easily searched out through news paper accounts.

Did he? Do we really know what Jesus was like?
You need to take into account that the stories that were written about Jesus were done so by his followers. Of course they are going to write about him in a very favorable light. Without any other source to validate the stories in the bible about Jesus, we really can't know how he truly lived his life.
The other point to consider is the stories that he told. What does it do to his credibility to know that the story of Jesus and his life were nothing more than a menagerie of stories from other religions and folklore?
You don't need to agree that all of the stories in the bible about Jesus were stolen from other religions, but there is enough proof that many key points were. What does that say about someone who claims them as his own? Or did Jesus never claim that and they were attributed to him long after he was dead?
That's the main problem I have with believing the bible and the stories within it.

OK......Christ ( the initiator of the Christian movement )was interested in the welfare of our souls.
Smith ( the initiator of the LDS movement ) was a convicted con man interested in the monetary contents of our pockets.

You may be correct, but again, we can never know this.