Michigan sees fewer gun deaths -- with more concealed weapon permits

[GraceAbounds]

If you two believe that you really are deluded!:willy_nilly:

No need to reduce yourself and this thread to insults.

 

[Pudding Time]

If you two believe that you really are deluded!:willy_nilly:

Peter, there's nothing deluded about it. I've taken the time and effort to be trained to protect myself in this very situation, and other situations. The likelyhod that I'll be shot in a assualt against me is getting lower the more I train.

 

[Peter Parka]

Listen, if someone pulls a gun on you, fumbling about in your pocket for your gun is only going to panic the gunman and make him more likely to shoot you, not less, not to mention the increased risks of someone picking your pocket, stealing your gun and using it to commit a crime, possibly against yourself. Apologies if you thought I was being insulting though, I really wasn't trying to be.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Apologies if you thought I was being insulting though, I really wasn't trying to be.

Cool then. I'd kindly ask that you please realize that just because people don't agree on an issue doesn't mean that either are delusional. Simply - they just have different POV's - POVs that have pro and cons for each side. We are just on different sides of the issue on this. Nothing more, nothing less.

 

[Pudding Time]

Listen, if someone pulls a gun on you, fumbling about in your pocket for your gun is only going to panic the gunman and make him more likely to shoot you, not less, not to mention the increased risks of someone picking your pocket, stealing your gun and using it to commit a crime, possibly against yourself. Apologies if you thought I was being insulting though, I really wasn't trying to be.

Obviously you are not trained.

If someone pulls a gun on me, I'll take the gun off him and break his arm.

If he's not close enough for me to engage him. I'll take cover and pull my own gun. Do you know how hard it is to shoot a moving target?

Plus I wear my gun in a holster on my belt. It only take me 1 second to draw it.

 

[Peter Parka]

Obviously you are not trained.

If someone pulls a gun on me, I'll take the gun off him and break his arm.

If he's not close enough for me to engage him. I'll take cover and pull my own gun. Do you know how hard it is to shoot a moving target?

Plus I wear my gun in a holster on my belt. It only take me 1 second to draw it.

Whatever you believe. Personally I believe that he has more chance of shooting you in the skull quicker than you can disarm him, take cover or get a shot off.

 

[Pudding Time]

Whatever you believe. Personally I believe that he has more chance of shooting you in the skull quicker than you can disarm him, take cover or get a shot off.

A head shot? hahaha

Peter it's near impossible to shot someone in the head when they are moving. That's why all law enforcement and military is trained to shoot center of mass.

They are also trained in hand to hand combat for situations when the assailant is within reaching distance.

 

[GraceAbounds]

Any self defense and gun training class will teach you what Pudding Time is speaking of. Whether you want to believe him or not, he is correct. I've been to the classes as well - so has everyone in my family that legally carries a gun.

 

[Peter Parka]

Well I don't know enough about shooting guns to refute that, I know it's nothing like in the films though and it probably isn't best to try and get away from someone pointing a gun at your head, it's more than likely doomed to failure. Be interested to hear Tims take on that when he comes online though as I believe he is pretty well trained with a gun too from what I've heard.

 

[debbie t]

Obviously you are not trained.

If someone pulls a gun on me, I'll take the gun off him and break his arm.

If he's not close enough for me to engage him. I'll take cover and pull my own gun. Do you know how hard it is to shoot a moving target?

Plus I wear my gun in a holster on my belt. It only take me 1 second to draw it.

if someone pulls a gun hes going to be some few feet away...and it takes a microsecond to acknowledge the fact and pull a trigger...i would hate for you to be shot pudding.

you have to understand that it is alien to us brits ,its not part of our culture and i hope it never becomes part of it..but we walk about without guns inthe knowledge that well probably never see one if were lucky,in everyday life.

in the circles i move in i see this shit ...but there seems to be a gentlemans ageement that women and children are removed ..thats the biker fraternity for you.

 

[GraceAbounds]

I know it's nothing like in the films though

Gun handling/shooting is nothing like what is portrayed in the movies ... for the 'shooter' or the 'shootee'. Like when someone gets shot with a handgun in the movies and the person goes flying back. That is so not true. You can take a bullet and barely even move. (this is not to imply no damage has been done, I'm just reiterating that the movies are full of crap)

 

[debbie t]

ive seen a film of what happens to the human body when a bullet enters it..i didnt like it

we dont get it ,we never will ..sorry chaps

 

[gLing]

ive seen a film of what happens to the human body when a bullet enters it..i didnt like it

we dont get it ,we never will ..sorry chaps

You will not like Texas then.

 

[GraceAbounds]

ive seen a film of what happens to the human body when a bullet enters it..i didnt like it

we dont get it ,we never will ..sorry chaps

Those are good medical films. I've seen them too.

 

[Pudding Time]

if someone pulls a gun hes going to be some few feet away...and it takes a microsecond to acknowledge the fact and pull a trigger...i would hate for you to be shot pudding.

you have to understand that it is alien to us brits ,its not part of our culture and i hope it never becomes part of it..but we walk about without guns inthe knowledge that well probably never see one if were lucky,in everyday life.

in the circles i move in i see this shit ...but there seems to be a gentlemans ageement that women and children are removed ..thats the biker fraternity for you.

If someone stands within reaching distance, it's quite easy to distract them with a little acting, and then suddenly move to disarm them. It takes less than a second to move out of the way, and he can't react that quickly when distracted. Plus most are expecting you to do anything. They think they're king-dingaling with the gun and that they have you in the palm of their hand. You moving on them will shock them.

Now they could stand a few feet away. But how are they going to take anything from me at that distance?

 

[Pudding Time]

Gun handling/shooting is nothing like what is portrayed in the movies ... for the 'shooter' or the 'shootee'. Like when someone gets shot with a handgun in the movies and the person goes flying back. That is so not true. You can take a bullet and barely even move. (this is not to imply no damage has been done, I'm just reiterating that the movies are full of crap)

That depends on the type of bullet/projectile. I doubt an average size man would stay still after being shot with a 12ga slug.

But the common 9mm will pass through quite a few people without any of them moving.

 

[GraceAbounds]

That depends on the type of bullet/projectile. I doubt an average size man would stay still after being shot with a 12ga slug.

But the common 9mm will pass through quite a few people without any of them moving.

I was speaking of handguns. Took a class on it, got the tshirt.

 

[Pudding Time]

I was speaking of handguns. Took a class on it, got the tshirt.

Ok. He's one for you.

.50 AE

That'll move you. It may be in every single direction, but it'll still move you.

 

[GraceAbounds]

LOL! Well yes, I'd bet that sucker would move you.

 

[TheOriginalJames]

Whatever you believe. Personally I believe that he has more chance of shooting you in the skull quicker than you can disarm him, take cover or get a shot off.

It's apparent you've never been under duress in any time of environment while a crime is taking place. Do you really think a robber who just pulled his gun isn't going to be nervous? Some punk kid trying to rob a gas station isn't going to have the accuracy and knowledge to handle his weapon for some sort of miraculous 'head shot' while someone who's trained and/or been in that type of situation WILL be able to pull off a duck, cover and draw his weapon.

You should really start thinking things through before you post, because you're basing your arguements on 'what ifs'.

I've had a gun pulled at one of the places I've worked at while I was there, and let me tell you. The guy with the gun was just as freaked out about doing it as I was about having it done.

Having said that, if you believe that (lets just example this) Grace is going to the store, and a guy pulls a gun while looking right at her. Do you really believe she's just going to whip out her gun right then and there while he's pointing at her? Because that's the situation I see you imagining taking place.