Michael Moore on Democracy Now

[Guyzerr]

I have yet to hear about any cause which Moore has started or donated to.

He is a socialist

Which is anti capitalist

Sorry if that upset liberals but if you follow him enough it is pretty clear

Sorry AA but even a Canadian can find 'em real fast.

http://www.michaelmoore.com/words/m...ericans-respond-call-donations-islamic-center

And another one that I really, really got a kick out of.... http://www.dailykos.com/story/2007/5/18/223744/567

" For several years now, Jim Kenefick has been railing against the Oscar-winning director on Moorewatch.com. Recently, Kenefick wrote about the difficulty he was having paying his wife's medical bills. Fellow conservatives guided him toward a cheaper health insurer, but Kenefick said he still had trouble making payments.
"Someone e-mailed me and asked if an 'anonymous' benefactor could offer to pay my first year's premiums - $12,000," Kenefick wrote on his site.
He was skeptical when the check arrived. "I opened a whole new account at my bank, waited for it to clear, checked twice with bank personnel to make sure it wasn't a scam, and waited a full 60 days before spending the money. At that time, I started drawing on it and paying the monthly premiums until it was gone."
We can now confirm to Kenefick that his secret benefactor is none other than the dreaded, detestable, loathsome Michael Moore. "
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[edgray]

Sicko is full of lies and distortions. So is Fahrenheit 9/11. Those are the only two of his that I've actually watched.

The criticisms of Moore's movies, from what I've read and in the example I posted earlier, tend to be more like slagging matches and personal attacks than anything else.

The defenses tend to come from heavily vested interests. In the case of Sicko, that was obviously the insurance companies and various health organisatons. They're attacks against Moore were by-and-large quite laughable, take this one from healthcare America:

Michael Moore ends the movie "Sicko" with a lie. It may not be an intentional lie, but it is a falsehood, nonetheless. Michael Moore ends the movie saying that every European country offers "free" health coverage to their citizens and every European country provides such coverage through a "single payer" system.

Both statements are untrue. It is a sad commentary on the pathetically, uninformed state of the health care policy debate in America that health care journalists and American political leaders do not simply know that both of the statements are untrue and that they have not responded clearly and quickly to correct the error.

So what makes these statements untrue? Reality. Most European countries directly charge their citizens for their health coverage. It is not "free" anywhere.

Which really sidesteps the point quite impressively. Moore, and everyone, knows that healthcare in Europe is paid for. His point was that it is free at point of service. That is, there is no bill for any treatment you receive. The article focussed solely on that one single mis-understood point as proof the entire film was wrong somehow. That's intellectually dishonest to the extreme.

And this is not even mentioning the outright lies perpetuated against the healthcare systems talked about in the movie. I mean, we're talking complete and utter fabrications sold as truth about the UK system.

I have yet to hear about any cause which Moore has started or donated to.

He is a socialist

Which is anti capitalist

Sorry if that upset liberals but if you follow him enough it is pretty clear

As I said before, he really isn't a socialist. And I'd personally be over the moon if he was, but he's not. His beliefs are inline with social democrats, a kind of "socialism-lite", if you will, spawned here in Europe. Social democrats believe that a regulated capitalist system will function better than a planned or fully state controlled economy. They believe in state ownership of the larger, more important institutions in society, like healthcare etc, but they believe also in competition within the remaining private sector.

It's a long way from Socialism and is more like a happy medium that is the predominant political force in Europe.

This is one of the problems politics in the US is facing: and that's this petty name-calling and labelling that's going on. It does nothing to further debate or improve society, and it divides the populous with lies.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

One of the sources used so much poetic language, you'd wonder if they were trying to irrationally get their point across by overwhelming readers with such fancy language and hide their empty argument...

 

[Minor Axis]

Michael Moore on Bill Maher Show:
"Exxon Mobile paid no taxes last year. GE paid no taxes last year and we have a deficit panel suggesting that working class people work till 70 until they retire, you have to be FUCKING KIDDING ME!"

This guy is a monster!

 

[cam elle toe]

My favourite vision of MM, is from the old "The Awful Truth" series.

He and about 6 people who has lost their voice boxes to throat cancer from smoking, singing xmas carols in the foyer of a huge tobacco company.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eB286VdOkCM

 

[All Else Failed]

Well, seeing as how it is the person's fault for smoking I don't see how that is really affective.

 

[cam elle toe]

Well, seeing as how it is the person's fault for smoking I don't see how that is really affective.

Most of those people are old...and would have been smoking from the days that it was "Safe" to....when your Dr reccommended you take it up for "weak lungs".....who's fault is that?

AND...back in those days...smoking was advertised as, and considered harmless..

I think its VERY affective.

They could also have gotten it from 2nd hand smoke.....passive smoking.....

 

[All Else Failed]

They chose to smoke.



Not defending big tobacco, but lets not try to push blame on others when people are the problem.

 

[Accountable]

Most of those people are old...and would have been smoking from the days that it was "Safe" to....when your Dr reccommended you take it up for "weak lungs".....who's fault is that?

AND...back in those days...smoking was advertised as, and considered harmless..

I think its VERY affective.

They could also have gotten it from 2nd hand smoke.....passive smoking.....

Protesting against the people that run a company that no longer practices any of those things - and had likely stopped long before any of those guys were even in charge ... is affective?? :confused

 

[Minor Axis]

They chose to smoke.
Not defending big tobacco, but lets not try to push blame on others when people are the problem.

Yes there is some personal responsibility here, but you must also consider they are drug addicts manipulated by drug pushers who went so afar as to add extra addictive components to their product. And as Cam mentioned for decades the drug pushers touted their products as safe.

 

[cam elle toe]

Protesting against the people that run a company that no longer practices any of those things - and had likely stopped long before any of those guys were even in charge ... is affective?? :confused

Depends how you look at it doesnt it.

I know it had a HUGE effect on me...

I didnt necessarily mean it had any affect on the tobacco company execs

 

[Accountable]

Depends how you look at it doesnt it.

I know it had a HUGE effect on me...

I didnt necessarily mean it had any affect on the tobacco company execs

You quit smoking because of it?

 

[Codrus]

You quit smoking because of it?

dont worry,..im making up for her lack of tobacco

 

[cam elle toe]

You quit smoking because of it?

I have never smoked cigarettes:ninja

 

[Accountable]

I have never smoked cigarettes:ninja

I wonder what affect Michael Moore was going for.