Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but....

[hart]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Well Joe think of the excercise your fingers are getting

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

SO much wrong with this.... I don't know where to begin....
Do you have some type of problem with understanding the views of others? I believe that is called... Ah, yes. IGNORANCE. I had a child out of wedlock. Are you telling me that I'm a slut because I had a child with the man I love and want to be with? On top of that I've raised and maintained a family while working. You live in your own sick, twisted little fantasy world where the man has to work, the woman is in the kitchen with a baby on her hip and is to please the same man every night. For some women, that's ideal. For some men, that is ideal. But for a lot of people (and this is what it seems like just about everyone has tried to explain to you) THIS IS NOT OKAY. Many women prefer to work, get an education, date different men, etc etc. Western society or otherwise. I know not every woman in the middle-east wants to live the way they've been brought up. Ugh, you're just seemingly brain dead. I don't even know why I'm typing all this crap because all you're gonna do is throw some lousy argument out there for me to shoot down which is gonna make me type more in this already derailed thread.

You don't have to take this PERSONAL.....many people still take your way of life as objectionable. Why don't you learn to respect their views too??

The problem with you and your ilk is that you are attuned or conditioned to your society....and women are nothing more than an object of sexual pleasure and a tool for procreation! Many compare such kind of ''freedom'' to freedom of the animals... who just go by instincts. I am nobody to object to your way of life but you should also have a heart to listen to differing views...rather than getting wild at them!

If we come to religion, the Western lifestyle you depict sounds far away from Biblical teachings and as a Muslim I am shocked how some Christians flout scriptures in search of their banal (or hedonistic) desires!!

If you don't like differing views you may go to some other thread rather than try to ruin it.

 

[JoeCool10]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

You don't have to take this PERSONAL.....many people still take your way of life as objectionable. Why don't you learn to respect their views too??

The problem with you and your ilk is that you are attuned or conditioned to your society....and women are nothing more than an object of sexual pleasure and a tool for procreation! Many compare such kind of ''freedom'' to freedom of the animals... who just go by instincts. I am nobody to object to your way of life but you should also have a heart to listen to differing views...rather than getting wild at them!

If we come to religion, the Western lifestyle you depict sounds far away from Biblical teachings and as a Muslim I am shocked how some Christians flout scriptures in search of their banal (or hedonistic) desires!!

If you don't like differing views you may go to some other thread rather than try to ruin it.

Who the fuck do you think you are? No one was "objecting to your views", rather explaining to you that not EVERYONE in this world agrees with you. Do you think that because you're a muslim you have rights on this site other than the rest of the posters? Because you keep telling me that you're muslim, like it should have some type of effect on me. And somewhere you've come up with a scenario where ALL members of western society are Christian. Can I ask you WHERE you came up with this nonsense? I respect one person as much as the next as far as religious views are concerned. But when you post something like this on a forum where there are all DIFFERENT types of people, expect to get differing views. Not everyone is going to agree with you, and that seems to be something you can't fathom. Your skull is too thick and you're too close-minded. Do the world a favor and stop posting your biased crap. No one cares to have an adult discussion with you because you can't seem to have an ADULT conversation. You just get fed up and act like a 5 year old. Wait, that's an insult to 5 year olds.

 

[porterjack]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

You don't have to take this PERSONAL.....many people still take your way of life as objectionable. Why don't you learn to respect their views too??

is that you are attuned or conditioned to your society....and women are nothing more than an object of sexual pleasure and a tool for procreation! Many compare such kind of ''freedom'' to freedom of the animals... who just go by instincts. I am nobody to object to your way of life but you should also have a heart to listen to differing views...rather than getting wild at them!

If we come to religion, the Western lifestyle you depict sounds far away from Biblical teachings and as a Muslim I am shocked how some Christians flout scriptures in search of their banal (or hedonistic) desires!!

If you don't like differing views you may go to some other thread rather than try to ruin it.

you cannot say dont take it personal then turn around and say "The problem with you and your ilk "

and by the way i belong to the same society as JoeCool and many others and if you seriously think that we view women that way you are seriously misinfomed

 

[retro]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Who the fuck do you think you are? No one was "objecting to your views", rather explaining to you that not EVERYONE in this world agrees with you. Do you think that because you're a muslim you have rights on this site other than the rest of the posters? Because you keep telling me that you're muslim, like it should have some type of effect on me. And somewhere you've come up with a scenario where ALL members of western society are Christian. Can I ask you WHERE you came up with this nonsense? I respect one person as much as the next as far as religious views are concerned. But when you post something like this on a forum where there are all DIFFERENT types of people, expect to get differing views. Not everyone is going to agree with you, and that seems to be something you can't fathom. Your skull is too thick and you're too close-minded. Do the world a favor and stop posting your biased crap. No one cares to have an adult discussion with you because you can't seem to have an ADULT conversation. You just get fed up and act like a 5 year old. Wait, that's an insult to 5 year olds.

*clap*

Maz thinks that he can do and say whatever he wants because he's a muslim. We should all just accept and respect his beliefs, and forget about our own.

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Who the fuck do you think you are? No one was "objecting to your views", rather explaining to you that not EVERYONE in this world agrees with you. Do you think that because you're a muslim you have rights on this site other than the rest of the posters? Because you keep telling me that you're muslim, like it should have some type of effect on me. And somewhere you've come up with a scenario where ALL members of western society are Christian. Can I ask you WHERE you came up with this nonsense? I respect one person as much as the next as far as religious views are concerned. But when you post something like this on a forum where there are all DIFFERENT types of people, expect to get differing views. Not everyone is going to agree with you, and that seems to be something you can't fathom. Your skull is too thick and you're too close-minded. Do the world a favor and stop posting your biased crap. No one cares to have an adult discussion with you because you can't seem to have an ADULT conversation. You just get fed up and act like a 5 year old. Wait, that's an insult to 5 year olds.

I thought a Christian ought to act like a Good Samaritan to cast a good impression on people of other relgions
but..........sorry, I am disappointed.

I know ALL people are not Christians out there yet Christianity happens to be the dominating religion....and, to your regret, I like it!

I doubt if you know about sex as much as i do.....If I am an insult to a 5th grader you are much better!

If you don't like to read my posts why do you read them???? Sure something interesting in there you find!!

 

[JoeCool10]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

I thought a Christian ought to act like a Good Samaritan to cast a good impression on people of other relgions
but..........sorry, I am disappointed.

I know ALL people are not Christians out there yet Christianity happens to be the dominating religion....and, to your regret, I like it!

I doubt if you know about sex as much as i do.....If I am an insult to a 5th grader you are much better!

If you don't like to read my posts why do you read them???? Sure something interesting in there you find!!

Please, chances are the only woman who loves you is your mother. And again, I am not Christian, you pig headed man, so there is nothing you should be disappointed in. And I said FIVE YEAR OLD, not FIFTH GRADER.

Honestly, the way you piece things in your mind is beyond me. Have a nice life inside your own head. I'm done with this thread.

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

you cannot say dont take it personal then turn around and say "The problem with you and your ilk "

and by the way i belong to the same society as JoeCool and many others and if you seriously think that we view women that way you are seriously misinfomed

Picking at me won't do you any good, just mind your own business. I have been to your country and know your customs and society very well...but here we are NOT discussing anything PERSONAL...all comments are in general and based on OPINIONS ...
If you had read the complete article by none else but American authoress you wouldn't have doubted she was not speaking the truth!

What is there to be misinformed about your society??? It's like an open book to all!!
Given the laws of Western countries I don't think any man there can try to underestimate women there or
try to abuse their rights! It is the LAWS which make citizens of any place behave..men or women both.
However, you can find a better example of enforcement of LAWS in Saudia...with minimal crime and almost NIL divorce rate!! Isn't that an eye-opener for the inadequacy of some other societies where divorce rate is shooting sky high?? Why??

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Please, chances are the only woman who loves you is your mother. And again, I am not Christian, you pig headed man, so there is nothing you should be disappointed in. And I said FIVE YEAR OLD, not FIFTH GRADER.

Honestly, the way you piece things in your mind is beyond me. Have a nice life inside your own head. I'm done with this thread.

Thank you for leaving, may Peace be with you!

Sometimes kiddies just get over my nerves and I mistake them as 5th graders when they talk beyond their age!

And, mind it, control your tongue, and stop calling names!! I can see how tolerant you are of other people's views, Christian or No Christian having little to do!!

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

chances are the only woman who loves you is your mother.

and yeah, being loved by a mother isn't bad at all, atleast better than hated by an intolerant or sick woman!

 

[porterjack]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

The problem with you and your ilk is that you are attuned or conditioned to your society....and women are nothing more than an object of sexual pleasure and a tool for procreation! Many compare such kind of ''freedom'' to freedom of the animals... who just go by instincts. .

Given the laws of Western countries I don't think any man there can try to underestimate women there or
try to abuse their rights!

so which is it? Quote number one in which you clearly state that women in my society are objects of sexual pleasure and tools for procreation, or second quote in which you acknowledge the laws here mean men dare not abuse the rights of women



you are no longer worth my time, and i will place you on ignore, something i should have done a long time ago.

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

so which is it? Quote number one in which you clearly state that women in my society are objects of sexual pleasure and tools for procreation, or second quote in which you acknowledge the laws here mean men dare not abuse the rights of women

Re-read the article....and listen to its American authoress! I, for one, trust her word.

you are no longer worth my time, and i will place you on ignore, something i should have done a long time ago.

Is that the only worthless thing you have???? Thanks, I didn't ask for it!!

 

[mazHur]

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[Alien Allen]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

This thread makes me wanna puke

Like many others started by the resident troll

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Truth is Bitter, sayeth an old axiom!

 

[Tim]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Picking at me won't do you any good, just mind your own business. I have been to your country and know your customs and society very well...but here we are NOT discussing anything PERSONAL...all comments are in general and based on OPINIONS ...
If you had read the complete article by none else but American authoress you wouldn't have doubted she was not speaking the truth!

What is there to be misinformed about your society??? It's like an open book to all!!
Given the laws of Western countries I don't think any man there can try to underestimate women there or
try to abuse their rights! It is the LAWS which make citizens of any place behave..men or women both.
However, you can find a better example of enforcement of LAWS in Saudia...with minimal crime and almost NIL divorce rate!! Isn't that an eye-opener for the inadequacy of some other societies where divorce rate is shooting sky high?? Why??

The divorce rate in Pakistan is extremely low due to the social stigma attached to it

Women who seek a divorce are also often victims of honor killings

One notable example is the high profile case of Samia Sarwar who was murdered in her lawyer's office on April 6, 1999 by a hitman hired by her family. She was seeking a divorce from her estranged, abusive husband, which was deemed as dishonorable by her family. Due to Samia's father being a prominent figure in the community, the police charged Samia's lawyers, Hina Jilani and Asma Jahangir, with "kidnapping" his daughter. Samia's father additionally "demanded that Hina Jilani and Asma Jahangir be dealt in accordance with ‘tribal and Islamic law'" and be arrested for "misleading women in Pakistan and contributing to the country's bad image abroad. Several people belonging to religious organizations issued fatwas [religious edicts] against both female lawyers and promised to pay rewards to anyone who would kill them.

Acid throwing (acid attack or vitriolage) is a form of violent assault. Perpetrators of these attacks throw acid at their victims (usually at their faces), burning them, and damaging skin tissue, often exposing and sometimes dissolving the bones. The consequences of these attacks include blindness and permanent scarring of the face and body. These attacks are most common in Cambodia, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other nearby countries. According to Taru Bahl and M.H. Syed, 80% of victims of these acid attacks are female and almost 40% are under 18 years of age.
Women in the Islamic Fundamentalist parts of Pakistan, such as the northern reaches around the Swat Valley, who do not cover their faces risk being attacked. The men’s theory is if the women won’t hide their suposidly 'alluring faces', then they will be made 'too ugly' to be 'alluring to men'.

Yeah, Pakistan is so much more enlightened than the west. Get a life

 

[Guyzerr]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

This thread makes me wanna puke

Like many others started by the resident troll

AA every forum needs a cut and paste artist. It's looks we found ours.

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Yeah, Pakistan is so much more enlightened than the west. Get a life

You are 'enlightened'?? Technologically yes, spiritually No!

The divorce rate in Pakistan is extremely low due to the social stigma attached to it

False....any woman can get a divorce in max 6 months.

Women who seek a divorce are also often victims of honor killings

False....honor killing has other reasons behind it such as revolt from tribal customs or bringing disgust to the family honor! Such killings are treated as Crime.....and as if the crime of women beating does not happen in the West!! Do you want me to update you on this????

One notable example is the high profile case of Samia Sarwar who was murdered in her lawyer's office on April 6, 1999 by a hitman hired by her family. She was seeking a divorce from her estranged, abusive husband, which was deemed as dishonorable by her family. Due to Samia's father being a prominent figure in the community, the police charged Samia's lawyers, Hina Jilani and Asma Jahangir, with "kidnapping" his daughter. Samia's father additionally "demanded that Hina Jilani and Asma Jahangir be dealt in accordance with ‘tribal and Islamic law'" and be arrested for "misleading women in Pakistan and contributing to the country's bad image abroad. Several people belonging to religious organizations issued fatwas [religious edicts] against both female lawyers and promised to pay rewards to anyone who would kill them.

Bullshit! You cannot cherry pick crime incidents to prove a society wrong!! Crime in the US is rather on the grow....and it's a pity your own writers/citizen write concern about them!!

Acid throwing (acid attack or vitriolage) is a form of violent assault. Perpetrators of these attacks throw acid at their victims (usually at their faces), burning them, and damaging skin tissue, often exposing and sometimes dissolving the bones. The consequences of these attacks include blindness and permanent scarring of the face and body. These attacks are most common in Cambodia, Afghanistan, India, Bangladesh, Pakistan and other nearby countries. According to Taru Bahl and M.H. Syed, 80% of victims of these acid attacks are female and almost 40% are under 18 years of age.
Women in the Islamic Fundamentalist parts of Pakistan, such as the northern reaches around the Swat Valley, who do not cover their faces risk being attacked. The men’s theory is if the women won’t hide their suposidly 'alluring faces', then they will be made 'too ugly' to be 'alluring to men'.

Again, that is CRIME committed out of hate and vengeance and for violating tribal law .......
You forgot to mention about a few tribes in Pakistan burying their mutinous daughters alive!! Yes, tribesman do it. why don't you come here and shed your ''enlightenment'' on ignorant people here???? Buck up, I am waiting for your arrival here shortly to show you more horrible things around!!

Be sane and do not gloat about your culture.....billions in this world do not admit of it!

 

[mazHur]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

AA every forum needs a cut and paste artist. It's looks we found ours.

Cut and paste becomes necessary to make some dudes make understand in their own cockney and in the voice their own people!

 

[Guyzerr]

Re: Men's sex has no value perse-Men pay women for sex, men will pay men for sex, but

Cut and paste becomes necessary to make some dudes make understand in their own cockney and in the voice their own people!

You're really not impressing anyone by doing it. Matter of fact you're making yourself look like a fool by avoiding questions with a c & p. If you want positive attention use your own words and back it up with small clips of a quote. Then list the source and provide a url.