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One evening last July, Senator John McCain of Arizona arrived at the New Hampshire home of Erin Flanagan for sandwiches, chocolate-chip cookies and heartfelt talk about Iraq. They had met at a presidential debate, when she asked the candidates what they would do to bring home American soldiers - soldiers like her brother, who had been killed in action a few months earlier.

Mr. McCain did not bring cameras or a retinue. Instead, he brought his youngest son, James McCain, 19, then a private first class in the Marine Corps about to leave for Iraq.

No one mentioned the obvious: in just days, Jimmy McCain could face similar perils.

I can't imagine what it must have been like for them as they were coming to meet with a family that ..." Ms. Flanagan recalled, choking up. "We lost a dear one," she finished.

Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq. What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son.

In his 71 years, Mr. McCain has confronted war as a pilot, a prisoner and a United States senator, but never before as a father. His son's departure for Iraq brought him the same worry that every military parent feels, friends say, while the young marine's experiences there have given him a sustained grunt's-eye view of the action and private confirmation for his argument that United States strategy in Iraq is working.

Jimmy McCain enlisted at age 17, then told his parents by phone afterward, said Lance Cpl. Casey Gardiner, a friend from boot camp.

Jimmy McCain returned from Iraq in February.

Mr. McCain has largely been silent about his son, now a lance corporal, to protect him from becoming a prize target and avoid exploiting his service for political gain, according to friends.

As Mr. McCain enters the general election, some say that his son's service will underscore the sincerity of his stance on the war. "He has, to use a gambler's term, skin in the game," said Bob Kerrey, the former Democratic senator and longtime friend of Mr. McCain. "It's among the most important things that people want to know about John McCain in trying to decide whether or not to trust him."

Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq. What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son, who spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province and learned of his father's New Hampshire victory in January while he was digging a stuck military vehicle out of the mud.

Two of Jimmy's three older brothers went into the military. Doug McCain, 48, was a Navy pilot. Jack McCain, 21, is to graduate from the Naval Academy next year, raising the chances that his father, if elected, could become the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower with a son at war.

Keeping track of the children of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee for the 2008 presidential election, is a bit complicated, as his offspring (both those he fathered and those he adopted) span two marriages and several decades.

Senator McCain has two sons (Doug and Andy) whom his first wife (Carol) brought to their marriage and whom he adopted when they were young. He and Carol also had a daughter (Sidney) together. From his marriage to his second wife (Cindy), Senator McCain has two more sons (Jimmy and Jack) and another daughter (Meghan), and the couple also have an adoptive daughter from Bangladesh (Bridget).

Doug McCain, 48, is John McCain's oldest child. He is a former U.S. Navy pilot (like his father) who currently works as a commercial pilot for American Airlines.

Jack McCain, 21, currently attends the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis.

Jimmy McCain, 19, is a member of the U.S. Marine Corps and has been stationed in Iraq.

As the New York Times noted, Senator McCain generally avoids mention of his sons' military service on the campaign trail: John McCain is loath to invoke their names when he defends his foreign policy positions, even once when Jimmy was sitting in the audience before deployment.

On a stop in South Carolina, as a mother who lost her son in Iraq began to suggest that John McCain understood her plight because of Jimmy, the senator gently motioned for her to stop.

Character is what's shown when the public is not looking.
 
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I'm not denying that. it's just the sort of thing to get people to warm to him and thus vote for him. Personally, I'd be more interested in his practical policies rather than who he went and had a cup of tea with.;)
 

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I'm not denying that. it's just the sort of thing to get people to warm to him and thus vote for him. Personally, I'd be more interested in his practical policies rather than who he went and had a cup of tea with.;)

It is not about who he had tea with.

I understand what your saying though.

I however don't agree. I vote for the person and the person's character more than anything else as it is their character that shows who they truly are and the intentions of their heart. It is character that people can trust. But hey, that's just me. ;)
 

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IDK, McCain stand a good chance of winning.

First, he will carry Republicans, my estimation is that 90% of Republicans will vote for him.
He will carry the rural vote because,as a gross generalization, the rural votes, when given a choice, vote white.

Someone, not officially connected with the Republicans but much like the Swiftboater's, funded by a Republican, will start a "Is he a secret Muslim" campaign. It will work for motivating fringe people who don't normally vote.

Obama will carry perhaps 80% of the Democrat vote, but may carry only two southern states.
The key will be the swing voters, and I think when it comes time to pull the lever, more than half will have a problem voting a black man in office.


These are my opinions, and I hope that I am wrong, but we will see
 

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IDK, McCain stand a good chance of winning.

First, he will carry Republicans, my estimation is that 90% of Republicans will vote for him.
He will carry the rural vote because,as a gross generalization, the rural votes, when given a choice, vote white.

Someone, not officially connected with the Republicans but much like the Swiftboater's, funded by a Republican, will start a "Is he a secret Muslim" campaign. It will work for motivating fringe people who don't normally vote.

Obama will carry perhaps 80% of the Democrat vote, but may carry only two southern states.
The key will be the swing voters, and I think when it comes time to pull the lever, more than half will have a problem voting a black man in office.


These are my opinions, and I hope that I am wrong, but we will see

I don't know; looking at his tactics, I think he's going to get his way out of everything and anything with his speeches. He's like the next Teflon president. I think he'll get more then 10% of Republicans, because most Republicans are not philosophically dedicated like me, and will bend to "Whoever they think is right". Most of the independents will be won over, and he'll have the entire southern black vote (it's terrible that in this day and age, there's still racial biasing), and his speeches will win over more of the democrats then people give him credit for.


BTW, this is the first time I've found an excuse to do this:

mccain.jpg

:homo:
 

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One evening last July, Senator John McCain of Arizona arrived at the New Hampshire home of Erin Flanagan for sandwiches, chocolate-chip cookies and heartfelt talk about Iraq. They had met at a presidential debate, when she asked the candidates what they would do to bring home American soldiers - soldiers like her brother, who had been killed in action a few months earlier.

Mr. McCain did not bring cameras or a retinue. Instead, he brought his youngest son, James McCain, 19, then a private first class in the Marine Corps about to leave for Iraq.

No one mentioned the obvious: in just days, Jimmy McCain could face similar perils.

I can't imagine what it must have been like for them as they were coming to meet with a family that ..." Ms. Flanagan recalled, choking up. "We lost a dear one," she finished.

Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq. What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son.

In his 71 years, Mr. McCain has confronted war as a pilot, a prisoner and a United States senator, but never before as a father. His son's departure for Iraq brought him the same worry that every military parent feels, friends say, while the young marine's experiences there have given him a sustained grunt's-eye view of the action and private confirmation for his argument that United States strategy in Iraq is working.

Jimmy McCain enlisted at age 17, then told his parents by phone afterward, said Lance Cpl. Casey Gardiner, a friend from boot camp.

Jimmy McCain returned from Iraq in February.

Mr. McCain has largely been silent about his son, now a lance corporal, to protect him from becoming a prize target and avoid exploiting his service for political gain, according to friends.

As Mr. McCain enters the general election, some say that his son's service will underscore the sincerity of his stance on the war. "He has, to use a gambler's term, skin in the game," said Bob Kerrey, the former Democratic senator and longtime friend of Mr. McCain. "It's among the most important things that people want to know about John McCain in trying to decide whether or not to trust him."

Mr. McCain, now the presumptive Republican nominee, has staked his candidacy on the promise that American troops can bring stability to Iraq. What he almost never says is that one of them is his own son, who spent seven months patrolling Anbar Province and learned of his father's New Hampshire victory in January while he was digging a stuck military vehicle out of the mud.

Two of Jimmy's three older brothers went into the military. Doug McCain, 48, was a Navy pilot. Jack McCain, 21, is to graduate from the Naval Academy next year, raising the chances that his father, if elected, could become the first president since Dwight D. Eisenhower with a son at war.

Keeping track of the children of Senator John McCain of Arizona, the presumptive Republican nominee for the 2008 presidential election, is a bit complicated, as his offspring (both those he fathered and those he adopted) span two marriages and several decades.

Senator McCain has two sons (Doug and Andy) whom his first wife (Carol) brought to their marriage and whom he adopted when they were young. He and Carol also had a daughter (Sidney) together. From his marriage to his second wife (Cindy), Senator McCain has two more sons (Jimmy and Jack) and another daughter (Meghan), and the couple also have an adoptive daughter from Bangladesh (Bridget).

Doug McCain, 48, is John McCain's oldest child. He is a former U.S. Navy pilot (like his father) who currently works as a commercial pilot for American Airlines.

Jack McCain, 21, currently attends the U.S. Naval Academy in Annapolis.

Jimmy McCain, 19, is a member of the U.S. Marine Corps and has been stationed in Iraq.

As the New York Times noted, Senator McCain generally avoids mention of his sons' military service on the campaign trail: John McCain is loath to invoke their names when he defends his foreign policy positions, even once when Jimmy was sitting in the audience before deployment.

On a stop in South Carolina, as a mother who lost her son in Iraq began to suggest that John McCain understood her plight because of Jimmy, the senator gently motioned for her to stop.

Character is what's shown when the public is not looking.

Awesome post. Mind if I distribute it in my Republican club?
 

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I don't know; looking at his tactics, I think he's going to get his way out of everything and anything with his speeches. He's like the next Teflon president. I think he'll get more then 10% of Republicans, because most Republicans are not philosophically dedicated like me, and will bend to "Whoever they think is right". Most of the independents will be won over, and he'll have the entire southern black vote (it's terrible that in this day and age, there's still racial biasing), and his speeches will win over more of the democrats then people give him credit for.


BTW, this is the first time I've found an excuse to do this:

mccain.jpg

:homo:


I actually think Obama will not win the black vote. Hillary won the black vote by a handy margin, and I think McCain will win some, others just wont vote. I don't have the numbers or anything, but I heard an interview here about it.
 

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I actually think Obama will not win the black vote. Hillary won the black vote by a handy margin, and I think McCain will win some, others just wont vote. I don't have the numbers or anything, but I heard an interview here about it.

But once all those black votes head from Clinton to Obama, he'll have a good margin.
 

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Although I think he stands well above our current idiot of a President when it comes to honesty and character, McCain has closely aligned himself with the current Administrations failed policies. I don't want us occupying Iraq until 2013. His view of diplomacy seems to parallel, the Bush Administration's which has been an absolute failure. And I still vividly remember him walking through a Iraqi neighborhood, all armored up, surrounded by armed soldiers talking about how normal Bagdad was ( 1-2 years ago?). Even though we spend more on defense than the next 10 countries combined, he wants to increase the size of our Armed Forces to handle all the future conflicts he's anticipating. He is clearly living in the good ole cold war days. The U.S. can no longer waist trillions of dollars policing the world. We need to focus on our allies and the concept of team effort.

And I can't vote for a President who thinks we are better off today then we were 7 years ago. This country needs a real change from the Republican's idea of prosperity and the U.S.'s place in the world. The working middle class can't afford 4 more years of the same BS.
 

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Awesome post. Mind if I distribute it in my Republican club?
Go right ahead. It's a true story.

Although I think he stands well above our current idiot of a President when it comes to honesty and character, McCain has closely aligned himself with the current Administrations failed policies.
McCain does not agree with all of the current Administrations policies. And if the current Administration would have listened to this seasoned war veteran a long time ago better decisions would have been made regarding the Iraq War.
 

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McCain does not agree with all of the current Administrations policies. And if the current Administration would have listened to this seasoned war veteran a long time ago better decisions would have been made regarding the Iraq War.

I was in the military too, but not a POW. Yes he fought in a war, he was shot down and was victimized as a POW. He served his country well. I'm sorry but people put way to much significance on what kind of wisdom you walk away from this experience when it comes to leading a nation. If anything, he realizes what dead soldiers means to families, which is important when as President you contemplate a military adventure.

Unfortunately, I don't remember him as a Senator agreeing with any senior military officers who expressed doubt about the Administration's plans or spoke out when they were summarily sacked. His statements about willing to stay in Iraq for 100 years is just plain scary. His statements about talking to our enemies as being foolish seems to be contrary to what knowledgeable seasoned diplomats endorse as sensible diplomacy. Yes he's ready to fight, but I want someone who uses a balance approach to dealing with the world. I don't feel he has it.
 

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I guess we read different sources regarding McCain then. I live in Arizona. He is my Senator and I'm glad to have him representing me. I trust his character. I do not agree with every one of his policies, but more so than other politicians that is for sure. McCain is much more of a Centrist than a Republican. I prefer a more balanced approach than the approach of the far left Obama or the far right Bush.

Regardless who makes it into office, I will continue to pray for their discernment, wisdom, and the awesome responsibilities that will be entrusted to them.
 

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. I prefer a more balanced approach than the approach of the far left Obama or the far right Bush.
What is so far left about Obama? I'm not completely informed but from what I've seen, Obama is just left, how can you describe him as far left, is he a communist or something?
 
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