Logical Thinking

[Peter Parka]

Innit! They always have to do something to show that the're doing their job and that always involves the easy answer, drugs or blaming someone else. I know I'm fucked up in the head, somewhat but it makes me me and people like me for my unique take on things. I dont need to blame anyone and I've got better drugs than anything they can give me anyway.
Shit happens, what the hell? I'm perfectly happy just muddling though life and knowing I'm never going to be "normal" whatever the fuck that is, another word for boring, I guess.The're the ones who cant hack it, probably need counceling themselves.

 

[Abcinthia]

Every time I see a psychologist for my aspergers they try and get me to admit to some traumatic childhood. Guess what? I had good parents that didn't abuse me and I wont say I did, despite all their pathetic manipulations. I agree with Wyndex.:thumbup

I must admit, I hate Fruedian Psychologists and it sounds like the Psychologists you've been seeing are all following that area of Psychology. I like the theory but I just don't think the therapy works for some disorders or people and sometimes can just make things worse.


And Psychologists can't prescribe medication so if you are seeing someone who does, they have to be a Psychiatrist becuase Psychologists have no medical training and Psychiatrists do.
Psychologists can talk to a doctor and say they think you need a different medication but they themselves have no power over what drugs you are taking.

 

[Peter Parka]

I must admit, I hate Fruedian Psychologists and it sounds like the Psychologists you've been seeing are all following that area of Psychology. I like the theory but I just don't think the therapy works for some disorders or people and sometimes can just make things worse.


And Psychologists can't prescribe medication so if you are seeing someone who does, they have to be a Psychiatrist becuase Psychologists have no medical training and Psychiatrists do.
Psychologists can talk to a doctor and say they think you need a different medication but they themselves have no power over what drugs you are taking.

Psychologists and psychiatrists, the're all the same to me, a complete waste of time and always put me in at shitty mood thanks to their patronising, "I cant be arsed but I 'll make a show off it so I look good attitude"

 

[mazHur]

Innit! They always have to do something to show that the're doing their job and that always involves the easy answer, drugs or blaming someone else. I know I'm fucked up in the head, somewhat but it makes me me and people like me for my unique take on things. I dont need to blame anyone and I've got better drugs than anything they can give me anyway.
Shit happens, what the hell? I'm perfectly happy just muddling though life and knowing I'm never going to be "normal" whatever the fuck that is, another word for boring, I guess.The're the ones who cant hack it, probably need counceling themselves.

do you think a person who says he is never going to get normal was ever normal before
Not psychiatrists fault, I believe

 

[mazHur]

Psychologists and psychiatrists, the're all the same to me, a complete waste of time and always put me in at shitty mood thanks to their patronising, "I cant be arsed but I 'll make a show off it so I look good attitude"

No, they are not the same-one has bigger balls than the other

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

I would like to not resort to drugs...if someone blames their actions because 'God made me do it' there's no reason why you can't use the same method for someone who blame their actions on 'The dog made me do it'. In those situations, you could bring in the religious leader of the local group and talk about their views of God etc, same with dogs, except use some kind of animal behaviour expert.
Some people would normally resort to meds with the dog one. I'd like to think there's more to behaviour than just a neurological basis.

 

[Peter Parka]

I would like to not resort to drugs...if someone blames their actions because 'God made me do it' there's no reason why you can't use the same method for someone who blame their actions on 'The dog made me do it'. In those situations, you could bring in the religious leader of the local group and talk about their views of God etc, same with dogs, except use some kind of animal behaviour expert.
Some people would normally resort to meds with the dog one. I'd like to think there's more to behaviour than just a neurological basis.

Yes, you may like to think that but medical science proves that isn't always true. Sure, some people can be fucked up through experience but others arn't.

 

[Azazel]

one, two, three...some people don't know what logical thinking is

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Yes, you may like to think that but medical science proves that isn't always true. Sure, some people can be fucked up through experience but others arn't.

Depends what 'world view' you have. It affects the way you practice. For example, if a person commits a crime, and your job is to get them back to the way they were before (non-criminal state), if you believe in free-will, how are you going to deal with them when free-will suggests that this person is not liable for their actions because events just happen out of nowhere?

And it also depends on how you view the body and mind. Do you see the body as a physical thing, while the mind is spirit? Can body and mind interact?
I'm allowed to believe any view I like, whether it's supported by medical science or not.

 

[mazHur]

What's this?? I thought I was best at surds and indices!!

 

[retro]

I would like to not resort to drugs...if someone blames their actions because 'God made me do it' there's no reason why you can't use the same method for someone who blame their actions on 'The dog made me do it'. In those situations, you could bring in the religious leader of the local group and talk about their views of God etc, same with dogs, except use some kind of animal behaviour expert.
Some people would normally resort to meds with the dog one. I'd like to think there's more to behaviour than just a neurological basis.

I can tell you that for me, my psychological issues are purely neurological... I didn't have a horrible childhood, I wasn't physically or sexually abused or anything of that nature. I simply am the way that I am due to some sort of chemical imbalance in my brain. Nothing more and nothing less.

 

[mazHur]

I can tell you that for me, my psychological issues are purely neurological... I didn't have a horrible childhood, I wasn't physically or sexually abused or anything of that nature. I simply am the way that I am due to some sort of chemical imbalance in my brain. Nothing more and nothing less.

sorry to know that, retro, you do need a complete brain check up

 

[Zorak]

if you believe in free-will, how are you going to deal with them when free-will suggests that this person is not liable for their actions because events just happen out of nowhere?

I'd be interested to see if you could find any person - be it psycholgist or philosopher, who agrees with this idea of causality.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

I'd be interested to see if you could find any person - be it psycholgist or philosopher, who agrees with this idea of causality.

That's my point. I've heard most psychologists are determinists anyway. I was just using an example to show how views affect practice.

 

[retro]

sorry to know that, retro, you do need a complete brain check up

how about you just simply leave me alone and leave the medical advice to professionals. Thanks

 

[Zorak]

That's my point. I've heard most psychologists are determinists anyway. I was just using an example to show how views affect practice.

What's your point?

And lol at the other statement. I've never met anyone so brash to claim such until now.

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

What's your point?

And lol at the other statement. I've never met anyone so brash to claim such until now.

My point was that the view you hold of the world and the nature of what you see as reality affects the way you practice, illustrated by an example to make it clearer.

Well it's not my claim. I will tell you where I got it from if you would like to know. And you don't have to call me brash thank you very much, if it's not my claim then why call me brash, you don't know if I hold the same view.

Plus you said before that you'd be surprised if you found any psychologist that believes in free-will and applies it to their practice. Isn't that implying that you think they don't believe in free-will,then they are determinists? If not determinists well then something else that explains causality? You're saying it's brash to claim it when what you said just implied it. I don't think I'm being brash.

 

[mazHur]

how about you just simply leave me alone and leave the medical advice to professionals. Thanks

I just expressed my concern over the state of mind you said you have...no need to fluster and carp at me!

 

[Zorak]

My point was that the view you hold of the world and the nature of what you see as reality affects the way you practice, illustrated by an example to make it clearer.

Well it's not my claim. I will tell you where I got it from if you would like to know. And you don't have to call me brash thank you very much, if it's not my claim then why call me brash, you don't know if I hold the same view.

Plus you said before that you'd be surprised if you found any psychologist that believes in free-will and applies it to their practice. Isn't that implying that you think they don't believe in free-will,then they are determinists? If not determinists well then something else that explains causality? You're saying it's brash to claim it when what you said just implied it. I don't think I'm being brash.

Causality and free will are two completely different things.

Since you've read most people in the world, I presume you're familiar with David Hume. You should really know all this...

 

[KimmyCharmeleon]

Causality and free will are two completely different things.

Since you've read most people in the world, I presume you're familiar with David Hume. You should really know all this...

Well obviously...Free-will claims that only some events are caused. Determinism claims that all events are caused. I know what causality is - something causes something to happen. There are just varying degrees of causality in the two different world views I mentioned (determinism...free-will...).

I've read most people have I? Know all of what? I've learnt about world views, I don't know what you're trying to get from me or pick from my argument exactly..