Libertarians and your 'Liberty'

[Johnfromokc]

You miss the point. John implies that the state gov'ts are racist and federal is not. A more accurate statement would be that state gov'ts WERE racist and the federal WAS TOO, but accuracy doesn't serve propagandists well.

Interesting that it took the iron fist of the federal government to force the racist states rights crowd to end "White Only" establishments and public facilities. "States Rights" has become nothing more than right wing propaganda to circumvent the civil rights of whomever they see as out of favor at the time. Currently it is homosexual human beings who want the same rights as heterosexual human beings who are suffering from "States Rights".

Are we one nation or 50 nations?

 

[Tim]

Interesting that it took the iron fist of the federal government to force the racist states rights crowd to end "White Only" establishments and public facilities. "States Rights" has become nothing more than right wing propaganda to circumvent the civil rights of whomever they see as out of favor at the time. Currently it is homosexual human beings who want the same rights as heterosexual human beings who are suffering from "States Rights".

Are we one nation or 50 nations?

I think you are preaching to the wrong choir. I think it has been stated before by the "libertarians" on this board that businesses should have the freedom to deny service to minorities if they so desire.

 

[Minor Axis]

I think you are preaching to the wrong choir. I think it has been stated before by the "libertarians" on this board that businesses should have the freedom to deny service to minorities if they so desire.

He is countering Accountable's statement that both the States and the Federal government practiced discrimination. What do you think about businesses having the freedom to deny service to minorities?

 

[Tim]

He is countering Accountable's statement that both the States and the Federal government practiced discrimination. What do you think about businesses having the freedom to deny service to minorities?

I was very clear on this point once before. I do not think it should be allowed under any circumstances. Period.

 

[Minor Axis]

I was very clear on this point once before. I do not think it should be allowed under any circumstances. Period.

Thanks, I thought so...

 

[Accountable]

I think you are preaching to the wrong choir. I think it has been stated before by the "libertarians" on this board that businesses should have the freedom to deny service to minorities if they so desire.

Thanks, Tim. Not that this is your first time, but it's always nice to see even-handedness.

 

[Accountable]

He is countering Accountable's statement that both the States and the Federal government practiced discrimination.

He wasn't "countering" anything because we all agree on this if nothing else:
1. The gov't used to practice racial discrimination.
2. The gov't should not discriminate against any citizens.

 

[Minor Axis]

He wasn't "countering" anything because we all agree on this if nothing else:
1. The gov't used to practice racial discrimination.
2. The gov't should not discriminate against any citizens.

You had issues when both of said, it was the U.S. Government who pushed the States towards civil rights as if your reasoning nullified the fact.

 

[Accountable]

You had issues when both of said, it was the U.S. Government who pushed the States towards civil rights as if your reasoning nullified the fact.

That's YOur reasoning, not mine. John implied state gov't practiced racial discrimination. As has happened countless times when dealing with you, I felt compelled to balance the propaganda with the rest of the facts. In this case, that the federal gov't also practiced racial discrimination.

 

[Minor Axis]

That's YOur reasoning, not mine. John implied state gov't practiced racial discrimination. As has happened countless times when dealing with you, I felt compelled to balance the propaganda with the rest of the facts. In this case, that the federal gov't also practiced racial discrimination.

Propaganda? Tell me about my propaganda on this matter. After all, you felt compelled... I know you view yourself as the beacon of unvarnished truth in this forum. No bias at all coming from you.

Ok, so were you talking about 1900 or 1960?? Why stop at 1900? You might as well have brought up slavery too. My point- does Woodrow Wilson really have anything to do with speaking of the 1960's Civil Rights movement and what the U.S.Gov forced on the States?

 

[Accountable]

Propaganda? Tell me about my propaganda on this matter.

It's John's propaganda this time. Yous is of the partisan variety.

Ok, so were you talking about 1900 or 1960?? Why stop at 1900? You might as well have brought up slavery too. My point- does Woodrow Wilson really have anything to do with speaking of the 1960's Civil Rights movement and what the U.S.Gov forced on the States?

I don't understand this conversation at all. We don't disagree, so what's your beef?

 

[Mercury]

Are we one nation or 50 nations?

This is something that I go back and forth in my mind about.

On one hand: With states having different laws and "social standards" then we have the ability to choose where we live which suits our desires more comfortably.
on the other hand: How much power can a state have that moves away from the established federal constitution without it becoming an "independent state"?

 

[Minor Axis]

It's John's propaganda this time. Yous is of the partisan variety.


I don't understand this conversation at all. We don't disagree, so what's your beef?

All I've said and continue to say is that when we were talking about the U.S. Govt forcing Civil Rights down the throats of the Southern States, you felt the need to introduce Woodrow Wilson. That's what I did not understand. Ok, so the U.S. Govt has practiced discrimination multiple times throughout history, I like to use the Japanese Americans in WWII. But Civil Rights can be used as an excellent example where the Federal Govt has made a good decision for it's citizens across the board despite disagreement from the States. I like that comment are we 1 nation or 50? States do have rights, but I'm sure we disagree on what rights the Federal Govt has that supercede States rights.

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[Minor Axis]

Just watched 60 min, a investigative news show that's been on for 40 years or so in the U.S. One of the features was the problem of no regulation of U.S. cemeteries- abuses, misrepresentations of costs and govt requirements, moving bodies without permission, double-selling plots, the worst was digging up old graves and tossing the remains in the woods, opening the plot for resale, the list seemed to go on and on.

 

[Accountable]

If there's no regulation, how could they have misrepresented gov't requirements? ijs

 

[Minor Axis]

If there's no regulation, how could they have misrepresented gov't requirements? ijs

By telling a grieving widow that such and such a charge is required by the Federal Govt...

 

[Accountable]

By telling a grieving widow that such and such a charge is required by the Federal Govt...

Yup that works. Didn't look at it from that angle.

 

[Johnfromokc]

 

[Minor Axis]

I don't believe that Liberian extremism represents all Libertarians... least I hope not.