Is using a whip to get an animal to do a trained trick...

[Goat Whisperer]

Bullshit. Both feel pain equally.

That's like saying someone that's been taking beatings all their life can handle one more.

I didn't say domestic animals could handle being beaten with a whip, I said they can handle being trained, with positive reinforcement only, for entertainment (training your dog to pretend to die when you say 'bang' would fall into this category). (Either then horses, which have been desensitized in domestication for thousads of years to whips).

I personally don't use whips on horses, but I have worked with horses since I was 12, and a horse that was trained with a whip is just as friendly and mentally healthy as a horse that hasn't. Although the amount of training to the age of the animal will generally vary.

Wild animals shouldn't be trained to do tricks at all because it is totally against their nature to be trained that way, and is not only abusive mentally, but can be dangerous once an animal gets fed up (and believe me that have and do). And because the only purpose it serves is to entertain. Wild animals should and can be trained basic things, however, because generally they make taking care of that animal (mostly in zoo's) less stressful for the keeper and the animal.

 

[Peter Parka]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-lOLr0yQWuw

 

[Guyzerr]

I didn't say domestic animals could handle being beaten with a whip, I said they can handle being trained, with positive reinforcement only, for entertainment (training your dog to pretend to die when you say 'bang' would fall into this category). (Either then horses, which have been desensitized in domestication for thousads of years to whips).

For Christ sake Gw this is what you said....

Horses are domesticated and fine to use whips on because they have been built to physically and mentally handle the attention.

Quit trying to portray yourself as an expert on animals when you're too fucking young to do so. Talking about frogs or shoveling elephant shit at a zoo doesn't make you a lion tamer anymore than me driving a car would qualify me as a Indy driver. You've had some experience with critters and that's about it.

 

[Mad Paul]

I have 2 dogs and they can perform several different tricks on demand, not once have I ever raised a hand to them. Treats and cuddles seem to work a lot better than violence. With domestic animals some people expect the pet to immediately understand what they're trying to convey; spend just 10-15 minutes a day teaching them and with repetition and reward they will eventually realize what is needed of them to get what they want.

With regards to the circus, I don't see it as anything other than cruelty.